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Message posted by bessie500 via mobile 10/4/2020 at 4:27pm
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Without a caravan I�d expect you need to charge twice on the road depending on which model car it is

450 miles range of 250 to 320, should only need to stop once but probably have to stop twice

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Quote: Originally posted by shaggy2000 on 09/4/2020
The one problem I have with electric cars (in their current format) is the charging times.



The one problem I have with EVs is that my budget for a car is about £3,500 max, which won't even buy a set of batteries! By the time one suitable for my use comes down to a price I could afford I will be long gone. If a suitable one ever comes down to that price anyway. I suspect that I am far from alone, as shown by the number of ordinary cars for sale way below my budget testifies. I would imagine that sales of new cars are tiny compared to the sales of second-hand cars anyway.



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Colin, the price of BEV’s is coming down all the time, look at the MG ZS EV, which probably around the same price as Ford Mondeo, or the Renault Zoe which is around the same price as a Ford Focus.

When the fleets move over to BEV’s which is already starting to happen, these new BEV’s will eventually filter down into the used market, and you will start to see price points like what you mention.

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Colin the rv for a electric car will be quite high due to the reduced running cost, I ordered a plug in hybrid for my next car, a work colleague has the same car and has only put £20 of petrol for 1000 miles of travelling, I think it’s 840 electric miles the rest petrol

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I need a car that has a high driving position like my X Trail due to back and hip problems. I was starting to struggle getting out of my Volvo V70, or I would still have it. I need a car that will tow my caravan, with a total weight of about 1,000kg, and it needs to cost no more than my maximum budget.

Yes of course prices are coming down, but how long will it be before a car suited to my needs becomes affordable for someone like me, bearing in mind that I am already over 70? I just can't see it happening. I would like one, much of my daily driving would suit one, and I could easily charge one at home.

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Yep good point Bessie, servicing costs for a BEV are minimal, brake pads can last the life of the car as breaking is mostly done by regen, compare the number of moving parts in a ice to that of an electric motor.

Batteries are now said to be still useful even after 25 years, and that situation is improving all the time.

Moving a BEV works out at around 2p per mile worst case scenario, compare that to 15p per mile for a fossil car, best case scenario.

We are on the cusp of mass take up of BEV’s there is no stopping progress that’s for sure.

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Until they bring one out that will tow my caravan, I will only get one for the cc tax advantage

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Any predictions on when I can expect a BEV that will meet my specifications? When I'm 105 perhaps? I certainly don't expect one in my natural lifetime.




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Colin I would guess the next 4 years before they have a car that will tow a decent weight,

It’s rv will still be astronomical at 5 years so your a good 10 years down the line then I imagine most New cars will be Battery cars

But that’s literally finger in the air guessing

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 10/4/2020
Yep good point Bessie, servicing costs for a BEV are minimal, brake pads can last the life of the car as breaking is mostly done by regen, compare the number of moving parts in a ice to that of an electric motor.

Batteries are now said to be still useful even after 25 years, and that situation is improving all the time.

Moving a BEV works out at around 2p per mile worst case scenario, compare that to 15p per mile for a fossil car, best case scenario.

We are on the cusp of mass take up of BEV’s there is no stopping progress that’s for sure.

Once government realise the losses from fuel tax and road tax watch the taxes go up!
The infrastructure to supply the power has to be paid for too.
In addition, goodness knows how much this pandemicis costing us?
I foresee a recession so it may not happen.


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I can maybe see a viable BEV within my budget within 10 years, but it will be far too low for me, and won't pull my caravan.

I can possibly see a BEV that will tow my caravan within 10 years, but it will probably be 5 times my budget, at least.

What I can't see is one suited to all my needs, including my budgetary needs, within the next 30 years. By then, if I'm even still around, I will have long since given up caravanning if not driving.


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Well 664DaveS, the government found the money to send an armada to the Falklands and fight a sustained battle, I recon the cost of this pandemic will be a fraction of what that event cost, and I don’t recall any increase in tax’s following that episode.

What is happening now is just a once in a hundred year blip, we will get over it and move on.

As for lost revenue from the sale of fossil fuels for cars, that will be easily addressed with a embedded black box in your car, with a pence per mile charge, I would say 10p per mile would do it, that would soon get the remaining fossil cars of the road.

As for those of you that tow caravans, you have my deepest sympathy, the future for those folk does indeed look bleak, along with those that own motor homes etc.

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I very much doubt that but hey time will tell, the cars that are being produced now will be on the road for a good 15years, although the number of diesel fleet cars will greatly reduce

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 10/4/2020
Yep good point Bessie, servicing costs for a BEV are minimal, brake pads can last the life of the car as breaking is mostly done by regen, compare the number of moving parts in a ice to that of an electric motor.

Batteries are now said to be still useful even after 25 years, and that situation is improving all the time.

Moving a BEV works out at around 2p per mile worst case scenario, compare that to 15p per mile for a fossil car, best case scenario.

We are on the cusp of mass take up of BEV’s there is no stopping progress that’s for sure.


Service costs minimal??

Do you realise the service costs of the Tesla is actually quite a bit more than my Lexus RX450h hybrid.

The hybrid also uses regenerative braking but that does not mean it does not wear the normal brake pad and discs too, just not as much.. front pads you are talking around 50,000 miles.

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All depends on the regen setting ST1100, some Tesla’s have done over 250,000 miles on the original set of pads.

Hybrid’s are for the birds, and is one of the reasons why they will be cleared of the roads along with all the fossil cars.

Aren’t Lexus just a re-branded Datsun,

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 10/4/2020
All depends on the regen setting ST1100, some Tesla’s have done over 250,000 miles on the original set of pads.

Hybrid’s are for the birds, and is one of the reasons why they will be cleared of the roads along with all the fossil cars.

Aren’t Lexus just a re-branded Datsun,


Francais you got that one totally wrong as usual, Datsun became Nissan, Lexus are owned by Toyota,

That’s like saying your tent is a go outdoors special

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