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Message posted by Jim1977 on 30/12/2016 at 9:44pm
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very true Colin. Sadly I think it will be a long time before destination charging will be comprehensive enough for an EV to work for those without a drive or garage. All work place and public parking spaces would need plugs, it's hard to imagine how that would ever get financed to get off the ground. Public ones, even in residential streets, would no doubt suffer vandalism or just get ICE'd with normal cars.
In the Far East they have some roads with induction charging, but again it's hard to imagine that here when pot holes don't get fixed, let alone upgraded with that sort of tech.

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Going back to the Fully charged show again, there was an interesting one not long ago about battery storage, eg Tesla Powerwall and similar. For those with off street parking and solar (we are lucky enough to have both) the idea of storing up solar energy to release at night when the panels are off, and even charge the car, is very appealing. The fact end of life EV car batteries can be re purposed as home storage makes good environmental sense too. very interesting times ahead, hopefully that tech will become cheaper and therefore cost effective in a few years.

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Although EVs are not terribly practical for most people (yet), I really can't understand why they are not used a lot more for local delivery vehicles that return to a base overnight. It used to be commonplace decades ago (milk floats, bread vans etc) and we have come a very long way since then. Such vehicles were very slow and had a range of less than 50 miles, but that has been improved dramatically. Why has their popularity never come back?

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Yes, the nissan ENV200 would be perfect. In fact, the Evalia version would make a good campers car when it gets a bigger battery, with its huge load area in 5 seat mode negating the need for a trailer.

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Quote: Originally posted by Extremebiker0 on 30/12/2016
The thing about petrol stations is that you need to visit one to fill up a petrol car. You're not really allowed to store bulk petroleum products at home and dispense them into your vehicle.

With an EV you do 95% of your charging at home. Only on the odd long journey do you charge anywhere else. So you need 95% fewer charging points than petrol stations.



I think your 95% charge at home is a bit off the mark if electric was to become mainstream. 95% charge at home now because with a few exceptions the only people buying electric are people with off road parking and spave to install a charging station. There are millions that live in cities with only on road parking or parking in bays away from the actual property.

95% fewer charging points? Even if you pull in for a 20 minute charge and we estimate a quick topup of petrol/diesel taking 5 minutes, your at the pump/charger 4 times longer. Visit a busy motorway service station and imagine all those vehicles being electric and needing to spend a minimum of 20 minutes at the charger.

Then imagine all those vehicles parking and not topping up also needing a topup of power, your going to need WAY MORE charging points than the number of pumps in the fuel station.

Then the issue if siting them, I was at the Hopwood? services on the M42 a while back and a row of charging points for vehicles outside the door, 3 spaces taken by non electric vehicles, and all of them nose in to the building. If you had a trailer, even a small one then you cannot use those chargers unless you unhitch it.

100k on a Leaf, makes a change from all the ones for sale with 2 or 3 owners and less than 20k on the clock.
Far more of those than high mileage ones.
Whats the big news that its done 100k miles though? Know any petrol/diesel powered car that wont do 100k miles witout missing a heartbeat?

My last car had 172k miles on it when i decided to change and my sister had it off me and its now at 220,000 miles.
If she keeps it for another 2 or 3 years it will hit 300k miles and no reason for it not to with zero attention to the engine except oil changes.

So expensive to install chargers everywhere, even Tesla are giving up on the free charging. The UK shout the shout but wont put the money into it.

To be viable people with no charging at home need a quick and cheap source of charging.

They are shouting we must save money and have to close local services, yet nobody bats an eyelid when it costs 35,000 to paint a white line on a road. And then another 35,000 because the idiot that told them where to put the white line and lane markings had never seen the road and how the traffic flows and the left lane now being left turn only where only about 1% of the traffic actually goes caused gridlock for weeks.

And yep painting the white lines a 3rd time. Then 6 months later they widened the roundabout, dread to think how much that cost. I bet it was way over the top.



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If i had a tesla and i would order one if i could id charge at work As it would be free and most companies are trying to go green,

only time will tell if the car is a success or not, the fact it has a 3+ year waiting list indicates that it will be.
i personally wouldnt be interested in a car with 170k on the clock, yes the engine might be ok but everything else is tired and at the end of its life.

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170k is not that high any more. Mine has 160k, or there abouts, and its still going strong. Used virtually every day, and I would do 300 miles or more towing my caravan without a second thought. Years ago getting much more than 50k out of an engine was quite an achievement, but not any more. 200k is commonplace, and 300k is not uncommon.

All a matter of personal preference and what you can/cannot afford I suppose.

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If 170k is tired and at the end of its life why has my sister put another 50,000 miles or more on it in 2 years with no parts being required other than a couple of tyres and some front pads?

I bought a Rover 800 diesel some years back, it was cheap because it had 230k miles on the clock. I used it for towing my caravan all over the place and sold it 4 or 5 years later having replaced nothing.



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If you like high mileage cars I think you will love EV's. Instead of all the hundreds of moving parts in an internal combustion engine and gearbox there is only one in the electric motor. In most other respects the cars are the same, so they are extremely reliable.

Even the brake blocks wear much slower as they aren't used as much due to the electric motor itself doing a lot of the braking (regenerative braking).

The only reason there aren't starship mileage EV's about is because they haven't been around long enough...

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Grampian buying a car with 230k on it is just a gamble, a very big gamble yes the engine might be ok but clutches gearboxes suspension turbos and electrics start to fail.

I'm pretty certain the tesla taxis that are in Amsterdam will have big miles on them, these cars are deffo the future,

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Quote: Originally posted by Extremebiker0 on 03/1/2017
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If you like high mileage cars I think you will love EV's. Instead of all the hundreds of moving parts in an internal combustion engine and gearbox there is only one in the electric motor. In most other respects the cars are the same, so they are extremely reliable.

Even the brake blocks wear much slower as they aren't used as much due to the electric motor itself doing a lot of the braking (regenerative braking).

The only reason there aren't starship mileage EV's about is because they haven't been around long enough...



Good point about EVs not being around that long, but it does make me curious why some have been sold more than once with less than 20k on the clock. I have done more than 3 times that mileage with my old banger, and it already had nearly 100k on it when I bought it 6 years ago.

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 03/1/2017
Grampian buying a car with 230k on it is just a gamble, a very big gamble yes the engine might be ok but clutches gearboxes suspension turbos and electrics start to fail.

I'm pretty certain the tesla taxis that are in Amsterdam will have big miles on them, these cars are deffo the future,

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Buying any used car is something of a gamble, because unless you know the car's past, you have no idea of how it has been driven and maintained. Often, cars with a high mileage on the clock will already have had many of the components replaced. You have no way of knowing.

I would think that EVs would make excellent taxis, unless very long journeys are involved.



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I would think most Leaf buyers would have a short daily commute, their annual mileage may only be 5000, so a 4 year old car could easily only have 20,000 miles on it. The reason for having 2 owners may just be they were pre-registered or nissan staff cars, which were then sold on privately, and are now coming out of their 2-3 year PCPs to be resold to a third keeper.
Prius taxis are known to cover 200-300,000 miles with no issues. I read somewhere they can need a water pump at 200,000 miles.
I think buying a car and running it to a high mileage is a much safer bet than buying a high mileage car that you don't know the history of. I'm happy with our 70,000 mile Prius and trust it to be reliable for years to come as I know its been cared for and never bumped, I'd be less happy buying one at 70,000 miles

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Yep i buy high mileage cars, but very picky on the service history and it must be serviced more often than the manufacturers limits.

My last car was 5 years old and have over 140,000 miles on the clock, even for me that was higher than i normally look at. But the service history was WOW.. Over 9000 spent on it in that 5 years... New tyres at around 3000 miles. Serviced between 9 and 10,000 miles not run upto the 12,000 mile service limit.

People forget that the 12,000 mile limit is just that the MAX LIMIT. If you want it to last longer then you service it more often.

Of course you know whats been done to a high mileage car, the service history and the paperwork from the type of owners that i purchase from keep every receipt.

Low mileage electric cars are probably people that wanted one and drawn in my being green and trendy they forgot to check whether its actually suitable for their needs.
On another forum a member is building a case against a dealer for miselling them a leaf because they dont have offroad parking and no way to charge it at home.
They are determined and wont accept that they are liable for making the choice in the end.

The issues with electric vehicles for me is this country wont put the infrastructure into it. And if they allow others to do it then bend over and get... because its going to be costly.


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Grampian if the tyres need changing at 3k they are cprobably pulling wheelies out of every juntion

How long did you keep your car and what do you have now ??

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I had that car (Mondeo Diesel MK3)for just over 5 years and it was a very good car, Tyres and brakes one battery and a back back just before i sold it.

Thats it in 5 years. It was so good my sister had it off me and put close to 30k on it the first year.

And my current car yet another Mondeo MK3 diesel. Its currently my perfect make/model.

My old car was possibly an ex-police car, armed response vehicle so they would not have skimped on servicing. Brakes and tyres would have been changed as a matter of course.
The swinging factor was a bill for over 1000 not long before i bought it that just said transmission, which i concluded to being the clutch and flywheel. The going rate at the time from a main dealer.

The UK stifles creativity though, going back 10 years or so my commut was fairly short but not really suitable fir a bicycle, an electric scooter would have been ideal. But the laws restricted them far too much and insurance would have been an issue.

If i could have one that did 40mph+ and without the red tape of tax and insurance etc then it would have been perfect.
I bought a scooter in the end because the traffic go so bad. A 6 minute journey turned into 20 minutes minimum.
With the scooter it was 10 minutes no matter what the traffic was like.

I would like an electric pushbike, but i need a wide saddle like a moped, that requires a larger frame which maybe more than 40kg which is not allowed and its only allowed to do 14mph and it can only be 200W or 250W depending on which page of the rules you read and....it goes on and on.

So they complain too many cars and people should use alternative transport yet wont allow that transport to be used unless crippled.



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