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Message posted by Francais11/4/2020 at 7:19pm
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Your not far of the mark Colin, what is being worked on at the moment is a way to integrate BEV’s into the grid, so the cumulative stored power of millions of BEV’s is there as a resource when needed, that way your BEV car is useful 100% of the time, it’s an interesting concept and there is no real reason why it would not work.

Mike3003 is already working on a similar idea, where the diesel in his 4 x 4, can be sucked out whilst at home to power a fossil generator.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 11/4/2020


Mike3003 is already working on a similar idea, where the diesel in his 4 x 4, can be sucked out whilst at home to power a fossil generator.



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I can’t wait to see an EPG..........Electrically Powered Generator. Different planet.

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They have electric electric sets for aircraft, use normal three phase 50hz supply and convert it to 200v 40hz supply to power aircraft systems in hangars.We had them in the RAF.
Also petrol and diesel generators for out on the flight line.
I can't see a battery passenger jet for a while.
Size of a 747 full of batteries and 10 passengers, takes 3 days to recharge.

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Plenty out there Mike3003, the Maxoak Bluetti is a decent bit of kit, as is the Goal Zero Yeti 3000, both can take direct input from a solar panel as these kind of units have built in controllers, prices are still a bit high, but are sure to fall.

Some good news with the Tesla Model Y, is that the option to add a tow hitch is now included in the order section.

With a 3,500lb capacity so 1,591kg that is fairly decent.

European Tesla Model Y’s will come from the yet to be completed Berlin factory, so it will probably be 2022 when they start to arrive in the U.K.

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 12/4/2020
Plenty out there Mike3003, the Maxoak Bluetti is a decent bit of kit, as is the Goal Zero Yeti 3000, both can take direct input from a solar panel as these kind of units have built in controllers, prices are still a bit high, but are sure to fall.




Well I concede, 240v from a solar panelled generator is indeed impressive.

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Yep Mike, how handy would a solar generator be, when on a campsite with no electric at the pitch, especially if you are only going to be there for a day or so, longer term I doubt that the solar panels would keep the battery fully topped up, but better than nothing I guess.

If I ever get around to owning a BEV, I will certainly be hooking up a small inverter to the 12v battery, something around 600watt would suit my need.

With BEV’s the 12v regular car battery is used for the electronics, and is kept topped up by the main 450v battery that is used for the motors, with a fully charged BEV that would keep a camping EHU going for a good while.

The new Honda E BEV already comes with a 230v ac outlet built into the car, brilliant bit of design by a Honda and all BEV’s should come with the same.

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Today’s Sandy Munro tear down of the Tesla Model Y on YouTube clearly shows the electrics ready for the fitting of a retro fit tow bar system.

It will be interesting to see if third parties are able to carry out the tow bar installation, or if it can only be done by a Tesla service centre using there software programming kit, which would no doubt mean £1000+ to have a tow bar fitted to the Model Y.

All good news, though.


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It's a start.

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Message posted by Francais02/5/2020 at 1:35pm
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Yep, blueexpo97 the transition is going to take a good number of years, but it is moving along at a decent pace, once the fleets start getting BEV’s in big numbers it will be a couple of years later when those cars filter down into the used market and become affordable to joe blogs.

I have never understood why a private individual would buy a brand new car, the thing depreciates by around 20% as soon as it leaves the forecourt.

When we had BMW Series auto One Shadows at work they had a P11D value of £31k, we kept the cars for four months, and we would hand them back with 7k miles on the clock, they would then go into storage for around 8 months, and finally end up as a used sale at Motorpoint for £14k as a one year one owner, low mileage BMW. at better than half the price of a new one, and pretty much the same goes on for all other makes and models of cars, I guess only mugs buy brand new cars, or folk with more money than sense.

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Judgemental as ever! Off the 9 vehicles I've bought 2 have been new. One was being sold mega-cheap as the maker was going bust but spares were plentiful & it had a BMW engine & another was a car I really wanted in a certain spec that I could not find 2nd hand. Wasn't a high end car & got a pretty good deal. & in all cases my opt-out allowance from work covers all the cost so depreciation means nothing to me although I usually buy used to put more money in my pocket.

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We usually buy ex demo cars rather than new unless we can get a good deal.
Our Santa Fe had a big discount as it was a limited edition, basically a top of the range with extras! It was too good to turn down.
We bought a Mini convertible in October, ex demo 6 month old. It had quite a lot of extras somsaved us about 6K.
Might consider the electric Mini as a second car next or one of the Hyundai models, which have a good range.

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Yep, well what do I know about buying cars, the last one I bought was in 1980 !

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Looks like the “Tesla Battery Day” event is finally going to go ahead sometime next month, this will be another kick in the nuts for other BEV makers as Tesla will no doubt announce there million mile battery.

There have been news leeks already that Tesla are going to introduce LiFeP04 Prismatic Cell into there vehicle battery pack, this is a big move from Cylindrical form factor 18650 and 2700 Cells.

LiFeP04 are what is used in the latest generation of Leisure battery’s and Solar Generators as they are known.

This is fantastic news as firstly it will bring down the cost of LiFePo4 Cells, brought about by volumes of scale.

You can currently but a 100Ah LiFeP04 Leisure Battery for £400 I can see that falling to well under £300 within the next couple of years.

Off course the advantage of LiFeP04 battery’s is that they are far safer than Lithium ion batteries, but more importantly the have a much longer cycle life, this is how they get to the million mile battery.

The only downside is that the LiFeP04 Cells are not as energy dense as Lithium ion, but the advantages outweigh that factor.

It’s reported that the first Tesla cars to have the LiFeP04 Cells will be the Model “3” being built at the Shanghai factory, and will still give the car 300 mile range or more.

Interesting times indeed, and with the massive amount of money that Tesla are investing in battery technology the 500 mile range car is only a short few years away.

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Tesla got most unreliable car on JD Power survey which popped up on Google on my phone!
Beat Land Rover to bottom. Funny premium brands like Mercedes didn't do well either.



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Means nothing 664DaveS, data probably skewed by the Model X and Model S, which are premium models not without there quirks, the Model 3 is a game changer for Tesla and the Tesla Model Y is selling faster than they can make them, only available in the U.S. at the moment until the Berlin Tesla factory has been completed, the Model Y will then be available in Europe early 2022, it is the best BEV on the market, and by the time the European model is available it will come with the million mile battery, I don’t think Tesla have anything to worry about when it comes to reliability.

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The survey says something else, they are also very poorly rated in other surveys in the US.

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