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Message posted by saxo131/10/2021 at 2:03pm
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I have never heard the Grid say that there is a lack of capacity, I have seen and heard reports in the press etc making those statements but lets face it if they reported there is no problem nobody would bother to read it or listen to it it wouldn't make the head lines!
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 31/10/2021
I have never heard the Grid say that there is a lack of capacity, I have seen and heard reports in the press etc making those statements but lets face it if they reported there is no problem nobody would bother to read it or listen to it it wouldn't make the head lines!
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I trust very little that appears in the main-stream press, and for that reason we haven't had a newspaper of any description for quite a few years. All the press is politically slanted and their only real priority is selling more papers, and good news doesn't sell papers so they just print rubbish and sensationalise.


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I haven't purchased a newspaper for more than 40 years!
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 31/10/2021
I have never heard the Grid say that there is a lack of capacity, I have seen and heard reports in the press etc making those statements but lets face it if they reported there is no problem nobody would bother to read it or listen to it it wouldn't make the head lines!
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If there is the capacity, then why are we importing electric from the EU and could cut us off due to any sort of dispute. We are not self sufficient for supply of electric.
Where are the government going to get the funds that will be lost due to people switching to EVS. Currently the govt gets funds from VED, duty and tac on fuel and huge amounts from VAT charged on spares for motor vehicles, repairs to motor vehicles etc. Also they will need to support the millions of people that will become unemployed due to EVs dominating the marketplace.
As said we have a long way to go!

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We import Electricity from France because it is cheaper!
Why do we export crude oil to China and import crude oil from Norway, the supply and demand for commodities isn't as simple as it may appear at first glance.
It's naive to think that zero VED will remain for EVS it is just used at the moment to get people to buy EVs.
The shortfall in revenue from the reduction of tax on motor accessories /fuel etc will inevitably lead to increases and other new forms of taxation being introduced, road usage pricing is a possible new one.
There will still be a need for maintenance and spares, albeit on a reduced volume, Tyres will need replacing accident damage repairs will still be needed etc.
What happened to all the coal miners railworkers etc made redundant in the 60s? We used to have a large manufacturing industry which has been decimated over the last few decades, car manufacturing steel etc where are all those employees working now?
There are app 1.1 million job vacancies at the moment in the UK!
Yes we have a long way to go but we still have a long time to achieve it!
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I thought the whole point was that we don't have a long time to achieve it! If we are to believe the climate change "experts" then we are on borrowed time already. Waste and pollution is certainly a big problem already.

I have always said that the zero road tax on BEVs was only temporary, as long as they remain very much in the minority. Once they start to draw level with oil-fuelled vehicles in regular use I think we will certainly start to see them being charged, if not before.

If we are importing electricity from France because it is cheaper, I wonder how long that situation will last. We don't seem to be getting along too well with them at the moment. We haven't exactly been best buddies with them since Brexit either.


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we don't have long to affect global warming but we do have considerable time before all the vehicles on UK roads are battery powered,people appear to think this is going to happen overnight.
there won't be millions redundant in the automotive sector overnight that will take effect over the next few decades.
the French could cut off the sale of electricity to the UK but that isn't in their interest as it could create a problem in their generating system as most is nuclear, they can't easily reduce the output resulting in over capacity. In the UK we have the ability to shut down power plants at a moments notice and as we have been doing last year we pay wind farms etc to shut down as and when required.
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I think we have 6 interconnectors for electric used both ways. We import surplus mostly renewable electric and export coal/gas fired electric from our back up plant in winter when prices are high from .

Having 2 way interconnections is also very useful to balance shortfalls either way.

We have got a grid problem in that developers wanting to install large wind farms cannot get a connection because there isn't the capacity locally. A larger cable etc will be needed for them. Trouble is, the first developer to cough up and get one allows the boards to later connect to the same cable for a much cheaper price.

The new nuclear station Hinckley Point C being built will have a large new cable which will unlock the West Country for future farms.

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Just see this thread and thought I would reference a post I just made here. https://www.ukcampsite.co.uk/chatter/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=20&TopicID=364716&PagePosition=1

I have been towing since December 2008 with a few different cars, and most recently moved to a full EV (Polestar 2) as a company car. I had it equipped with a factory fit tow bar knowing it would be rated to tow my Bailey Unicorn S3 Vigo and keen to see how it would fair. The answer is surprisingly well. Whilst I still have my Volvo MY17 V60 D6 PHEV as a tow car, the Polestar trumps it for everything except car payload, total train weight and range. The payload and total train weight are not really an issue as for us our outfit is inside that limit (but would not be for a bigger van) and range turns out not to be an issue for us either.

We have towed over 1600 miles this year on 5 holidays over 32 nights with the EV. Distance from home (one way) were 257 miles, 208 miles, 136 miles, 97 miles and 37 miles.

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Quote: Originally posted by tdrees on 09/12/2021
Just see this thread and thought I would reference a post I just made here. https://www.ukcampsite.co.uk/chatter/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=20&TopicID=364716&PagePosition=1

I have been towing since December 2008 with a few different cars, and most recently moved to a full EV (Polestar 2) as a company car. I had it equipped with a factory fit tow bar knowing it would be rated to tow my Bailey Unicorn S3 Vigo and keen to see how it would fair. The answer is surprisingly well. Whilst I still have my Volvo MY17 V60 D6 PHEV as a tow car, the Polestar trumps it for everything except car payload, total train weight and range. The payload and total train weight are not really an issue as for us our outfit is inside that limit (but would not be for a bigger van) and range turns out not to be an issue for us either.

We have towed over 1600 miles this year on 5 holidays over 32 nights with the EV. Distance from home (one way) were 257 miles, 208 miles, 136 miles, 97 miles and 37 miles.


I noted that you said the Polestar was better than the Volvo at everything apart from payload, train weight and range. For me, this is the biggest problem with EV's. I use my Land Rover for work and the most important things for me in a vehicle are payload, and towing capacity. A long range is useful, but not critical as long as it only takes a few minutes to refuel and I don't need an electrical supply. Most of my work is in remote locations so I can't recharge while not driving. A work vehicle that isn't 4wd and cannot carry 1000kg while towing a 4000kg trailer is not much use to me. I may have use for an EV for private journeys, but most of my private journeys are done either in my Bongo camper or on my motorcycle.
I would consider a electric camper, but they are hideously expensive. It would cost more to replace my Bongo with an electric campervan than it will cost to run my Bongo until I am no longer driving. The same applies to my motorcycle.
My partner drives a Freelander which could be replaced by an EV, but I am fairly sure they would hit me with something very hard and heavy if I suggest that they replace their beloved hippo with anything but another one.

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at Martin. I think that's a valid complaint today, but you also have to look at where each vehicle is pitched. Granted the Polestar cant pull 4 tonnes, but a LandRover cant do 0-60 in sub 5 seconds. The Polestar is not trying to compete with a LandRover, or even a Volvo V60 for that matter. It's targeted at the BMW 340X drive M Sport, or the Merc C43AMG, or the Audi S5 sportback.

What IS missing - is a wider range of EVs that can tow much bigger payloads. The Rivian Pickup and SUV coming, Tesla Cybertruck will help close that gap as will the Ford F150 Lightning and a number of other new offerings.

Today, EVs have two incredible tricks over ICE which are the mind numbing power delivery and very low running cost. That has pushed manufacturers to foucs on performance capability with bigger cars to accommodate the batteries, and focused on the higher end of the market. As manufacturing costs drop (and they are dropping rapidly), so both bigger batteries for towing, and smaller cheaper cars will become more finically viable.

That will make the mid and lower end of the price market more accessible. 2021 saw a huge increase in both models and uptake, and 2022 will be even more aggressive. I think by 2025 there will be models that will deliver LR like towing capability, hopefully at (new) LR like prices, and they will all eventually filter into the used market too.

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TDrees that's brilliant finally someone has come on that owns a full electric car and actually uses it to tow a caravan.

So it is possible to use a electric car to tour with, also for decent distances obviously with a bit of planning.

All from a car that starts at the same price as a Decent spec Diesel Skoda Superb

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 09/12/2021
TDrees that's brilliant finally someone has come on that owns a full electric car and actually uses it to tow a caravan.

So it is possible to use a electric car to tour with, also for decent distances obviously with a bit of planning.

All from a car that starts at the same price as a Decent spec Diesel Skoda Superb

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I am not the only one - there are a number of Polestar 2 owners who are towing. At least 2 more with teardrop size caravans, and one of whom took it to the Dordogne and back last summer.


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Quote: Originally posted by tdrees on 09/12/2021
Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 09/12/2021
TDrees that's brilliant finally someone has come on that owns a full electric car and actually uses it to tow a caravan.

So it is possible to use a electric car to tour with, also for decent distances obviously with a bit of planning.

All from a car that starts at the same price as a Decent spec Diesel Skoda Superb

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I am not the only one - there are a number of Polestar 2 owners who are towing. At least 2 more with teardrop size caravans, and one of whom took it to the Dordogne and back last summer.





true but you are the only one on here, i've seen a few tesla's towing twin axle vans.

the biggest argument on here is range and price, hence the reason for quoting the Skoda price

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:-)

Thats a good comparison too. I think the Kia EV6 is perhaps even more affordable too.

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The EV6 looks really cool, hopefully my next company car will be a full ev, At the moment i have a BMW330E, Which is only 18 months into a 4 year contract

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