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Message posted by Colin2109/12/2021 at 3:32pm
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I would willingly have a full EV as a second car, or even possibly as an only car if a suitable one were available, but in my financial situation someone would have to give it to me. I very much doubt whether any suitable and affordable ones will be available for people like me any time soon. If it is to be an only vehicle like at present, I need an estate-type vehicle with a high driving position, that is capable of pulling a light caravan such as the one I have, with a reasonable range when towing. At the present moment even a set of batteries for such a vehicle would be way outside my budget for a complete vehicle. I'm far from alone either.



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but Colin, you are veiwing this all wrong! well we both are you see , people arent expected to buy a car any more, you just sign up on some scheme and a few days later the car you ordered arrives at your door, which you use and keep within the agreed mileage and then after 4 years you hand it back and they bring you a brand new replacement! you see people like us just dont do this we buy a car, we own a car, we repair and take care of a car. unlike most of the things you see on the roads nowadays

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At our age we are happy to keep our low mileage suv for a bit longer. We may replace it with a plug in hybrid or self charging hybrid as they are available and can tow our van.

A full electric would do for a second car as we could afford it. We have a Mini convertible ( 1.5 turbo petrol) which is great fun and very economical, it's on pcp so it could be changed for the electric one, but we are happy with what we have.
By 2030we may not want to tow any more so might just get an electric vehicle.No doubt technology will have improved range and charge times by then.

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Quote: Originally posted by marg6 on 09/12/2021
but Colin, you are veiwing this all wrong! well we both are you see , people arent expected to buy a car any more, you just sign up on some scheme and a few days later the car you ordered arrives at your door, which you use and keep within the agreed mileage and then after 4 years you hand it back and they bring you a brand new replacement! you see people like us just dont do this we buy a car, we own a car, we repair and take care of a car. unlike most of the things you see on the roads nowadays



Yes I know just what you mean Marg6. When I buy a car, usually quite an old car, I run it for as long as possible, maintaining it and repairing it when necessary. Before the advent of these "modern" cars I used to do all my own maintenance and repairs too. I wouldn't let any garage touch my car.

I have looked into these leasing schemes and all sorts of alternatives, and they are all way too expensive for me. No way could I afford the monthly payments. I generally buy my cars outright for cash, the only one where I have had to borrow money to buy is the one I have now. Apart from my very first car that is as I was only 16 at the time and only earning £3/10s (£3.50) a week. The car cost me £50 which was a fortune to me back then. My current car cost me £4,000, hence the need to borrow as my normal limit is £2,500. For the first time for decades I just couldn't find one that met my needs that was within my budget, as older diesel cars are going up in price quite considerably due to people hanging on to them. Plenty of older petrol models about but few diesels, and definitely no EVs! The way things are looking now my current car may well be my last, so I will hang onto it for as long as I possibly can. When it becomes too expensive to run and/or repair, I will probably have to give up driving.



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Quote: Originally posted by tdrees on 09/12/2021
Just see this thread and thought I would reference a post I just made here. https://www.ukcampsite.co.uk/chatter/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=20&TopicID=364716&PagePosition=1

I have been towing since December 2008 with a few different cars, and most recently moved to a full EV (Polestar 2) as a company car. I had it equipped with a factory fit tow bar knowing it would be rated to tow my Bailey Unicorn S3 Vigo and keen to see how it would fair. The answer is surprisingly well. Whilst I still have my Volvo MY17 V60 D6 PHEV as a tow car, the Polestar trumps it for everything except car payload, total train weight and range. The payload and total train weight are not really an issue as for us our outfit is inside that limit (but would not be for a bigger van) and range turns out not to be an issue for us either.

We have towed over 1600 miles this year on 5 holidays over 32 nights with the EV. Distance from home (one way) were 257 miles, 208 miles, 136 miles, 97 miles and 37 miles.



Interesting what is the best you can hope for in range when towing 100-120 miles ?



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Quote: Originally posted by marg6 on 09/12/2021
but Colin, you are veiwing this all wrong! well we both are you see , people arent expected to buy a car any more, you just sign up on some scheme and a few days later the car you ordered arrives at your door, which you use and keep within the agreed mileage and then after 4 years you hand it back and they bring you a brand new replacement! you see people like us just dont do this we buy a car, we own a car, we repair and take care of a car. unlike most of the things you see on the roads nowadays



Your right not many people buy their own brand new cars, they usually lease them I personally canít get my head round that either.
I usually buy cars when they are 3 years old as they normally have depreciated by a good 50%

I know some people make the numbers work though

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The video below makes very interesting reading however it is over an hour long, but worth watching even though Covid has thrown a spanner in the works.

https://youtu.be/y916mxoio0E

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Quote: Originally posted by neil and lena on 09/12/2021
Interesting what is the best you can hope for in range when towing 100-120 miles ?



100% full to 0% empty would give a towing range of between 120 and 135 in summer, a little less in winter. Given I get more like 200 out of the car solo, I think the range drop is pretty good. But when towing, I naturally drive far more sedately which leans to economy. When solo, I enjoy the performance that the car has to offer and the reduced range that comes with that driving style.

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Still far to restrictive for my needs with such a short range .
I tow to Spain every winter and summer a distance of 1200 miles only requiring 3 fill ups on route and a journey time of 3 full days and two overnight campsite stays .
Until they start producing battery cars which can tow 300 miles without the need to plug in I couldn't consider such a vehicle and am not prepared to put up the inconvenience of so many enforced recharging stops

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Quote: Originally posted by neil and lena on 22/12/2021
Still far to restrictive for my needs with such a short range .
I tow to Spain every winter and summer a distance of 1200 miles only requiring 3 fill ups on route and a journey time of 3 full days and two overnight campsite stays .
Until they start producing battery cars which can tow 300 miles without the need to plug in I couldn't consider such a vehicle and am not prepared to put up the inconvenience of so many enforced recharging stops



Yep - if you are into long continental towing then itís perhaps not yet for you, but just for context. 1200 miles in 3 days = 400 miles per day. Thatís around three recharges on the road per day 10% to 90%. In a Kia EV6 or Hyundai Ioniq 5 that could be as little as 3 25 minute stops per day. One every 2 hours of towing, coffee lunch and teatime. I would need to stop that many times just for me, if not for the car.

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Quote: Originally posted by neil and lena on 22/12/2021
Still far to restrictive for my needs with such a short range .
I tow to Spain every winter and summer a distance of 1200 miles only requiring 3 fill ups on route and a journey time of 3 full days and two overnight campsite stays .
Until they start producing battery cars which can tow 300 miles without the need to plug in I couldn't consider such a vehicle and am not prepared to put up the inconvenience of so many enforced recharging stops


I feel exactly the same. Until I can get an electric car that has the same 400+ mile range as my current vehicles and can recharge anywhere in the same time it takes to refuel, then I have no interest in getting one. The running costs are totally irrelevant, I don't care how cheap they are to run if they are not practical or convenient to use.

Leasing is simply not an option as the vehicle would have to be quite heavily modified for it to be useful. This would include the fitment of a coupled braking system for trailers over 3500kg, a winch, auxiliary lighting and auxiliary power supplies. Though I very much doubt that any BEV would be able to be modified like that anyway.


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Range isn't a big issue for me as I rarely do more than 150 mile round trips in a day and I could easily recharge at home. The only time I do longer trips is when I'm towing my caravan, but even then it's rarely more than 150 miles one way.

However, I need a car that has as high a driving position as my 2008 X Trail, can do the above mileages without issue, has the same amount of room in the back as my X Trail, can tow a caravan up to 1200kg, and most importantly costs no more to buy than £3,000. I haven't seen even one BEV that can come close to meeting all those requirements, and when one comes along that does, I will probably have given up driving.



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Colin your car is almost 14 years old, Kia already makes a car similar to what you have.
So 14 years from now it will be available who knows what the cost will be, but then again everything goes up in 14 years

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Quote: Originally posted by martin734 on 22/12/2021
Quote: Originally posted by neil and lena on 22/12/2021
Still far to restrictive for my needs with such a short range .
I tow to Spain every winter and summer a distance of 1200 miles only requiring 3 fill ups on route and a journey time of 3 full days and two overnight campsite stays .
Until they start producing battery cars which can tow 300 miles without the need to plug in I couldn't consider such a vehicle and am not prepared to put up the inconvenience of so many enforced recharging stops


I feel exactly the same. Until I can get an electric car that has the same 400+ mile range as my current vehicles and can recharge anywhere in the same time it takes to refuel, then I have no interest in getting one. The running costs are totally irrelevant, I don't care how cheap they are to run if they are not practical or convenient to use.

Leasing is simply not an option as the vehicle would have to be quite heavily modified for it to be useful. This would include the fitment of a coupled braking system for trailers over 3500kg, a winch, auxiliary lighting and auxiliary power supplies. Though I very much doubt that any BEV would be able to be modified like that anyway.


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Martin what your describing sounds more like a commercial vehicle.


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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 22/12/2021
Range isn't a big issue for me as I rarely do more than 150 mile round trips in a day and I could easily recharge at home. The only time I do longer trips is when I'm towing my caravan, but even then it's rarely more than 150 miles one way.

However, I need a car that has as high a driving position as my 2008 X Trail, can do the above mileages without issue, has the same amount of room in the back as my X Trail, can tow a caravan up to 1200kg, and most importantly costs no more to buy than £3,000. I haven't seen even one BEV that can come close to meeting all those requirements, and when one comes along that does, I will probably have given up driving.




The only thing you are waiting for is the 2nd hand market to get to the same level as that of your Xtrail. There are quite a number of EVs available now that could meet your other requirements.

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Quote: Originally posted by neil and lena on 22/12/2021
Still far to restrictive for my needs with such a short range .
I tow to Spain every winter and summer a distance of 1200 miles only requiring 3 fill ups on route and a journey time of 3 full days and two overnight campsite stays .
Until they start producing battery cars which can tow 300 miles without the need to plug in I couldn't consider such a vehicle and am not prepared to put up the inconvenience of so many enforced recharging stops



n&l I'm intersted in your trip, can you give me more info please.
Whereabouts in Scotland do you start from and do you overnight on the way to Kent, assuming you cross down South.
What vehicle do you tow with to achieve such good results.

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