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Message posted by Devonatheart via mobile 04/1/2022 at 5:59pm
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 04/1/2022
Quote" Any more than I know how electric bulldozers or electric combine harvesters will go down. The diesel engine will be with us for a great many years yet, in my opinion."

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Pon Equipment, with input and support from Caterpillar, converted a 28-ton CAT 323F excavator from diesel to electric. The diesel engine was replaced with a 122kW electric motor and a 300kWh lithium-ion battery pack that weighs 3.4 tons.

Known as the Z-Line, the modified excavator can work for five to seven hours before needing to be recharged which can be done in one to two hours. Pon Equipment has already sold its first model to a construction company in Norway that is planning to buy more. saxo1



I do believe that battery technology will come on leaps and bounds, but a two hour break after five hours work is of absolutely no use with to regards heavy plant, especially Combined Harvesters, which need to do, at the very least, 16 hours a day during harvest with very little stopping. The time machinery of this nature is laid up, money is lost.

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I am not certain that battery technology will "come on in leaps and bounds", I more inclined to think that it is already very near its peak and that any more development is likely to be more a case of "tinkering round the edges". However, I am by no means an expert in that field and I hope I am proved wrong. How much electrical energy can really be stored in a battery, and how quickly can that energy be replaced when exhausted is what I would like to know. Battery technology has been "under development" for well over 60 years and I am inclined to think that if massive advances could be made, they already would have been. Happy to be proved wrong though.




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There are several new battery technologies already being developed that according to the developers will revolutionise the energy density of batteries.
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 04/1/2022
There are several new battery technologies already being developed that according to the developers will revolutionise the energy density of batteries.
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Let us hope they are right then, but considering the past 60 years or so I have my doubts. Still, stranger things have happened.


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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 04/1/2022
Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 04/1/2022
There are several new battery technologies already being developed that according to the developers will revolutionise the energy density of batteries.
saxo1



Let us hope they are right then, but considering the past 60 years or so I have my doubts. Still, stranger things have happened.



The implication that nothing has changed in 60 years regarding battery technology, not just in reference to cars.   Is completely ridiculous, just look around you.

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Merc say they now have an electric car with 700mile range. Available 2024. Bring loadsa money.

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Quote: Originally posted by boff on 05/1/2022
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 04/1/2022
Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 04/1/2022
There are several new battery technologies already being developed that according to the developers will revolutionise the energy density of batteries.
saxo1



Let us hope they are right then, but considering the past 60 years or so I have my doubts. Still, stranger things have happened.



The implication that nothing has changed in 60 years regarding battery technology, not just in reference to cars.   Is completely ridiculous, just look around you.




Totally agree boff, “leaps and bounds” in terms of the advancement of battery technology. My concern, apart from my personal circumstances needing a 4x4 pick up truck, is the total lack of charging infrastructure. For me, not a problem, I have a drive, off road parking and a garage, hence getting a plug in hybrid, but for millions that is not an option.

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I can only speak a I find.   But our EV not a tow vehicle.   We have done 14k in 10months at least 95% of charging has been done at home.    We can charge at home, apparently ~70% of people can. But if I couldn’t charge at home I am not sure it would have selected an EV, but some people seem to manage ok.   
Also range anxiety seems to be more of a physiological rather than an actual problem.     

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Depending upon the miles driven per week it is estimated that the average driver would only need a recharge every three weeks.
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 05/1/2022
Depending upon the miles driven per week it is estimated that the average driver would only need a recharge every three weeks.
saxo1



That would hint at an annual mileage of no more than 5000PA

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We could have an ev but have chosen not to. Our second car is a convertible which are not available as ev yet. We have ordered a new one as its on pcp,and we were offered a good deal.
If we replace the towcar a self charging or plug in hybrid would make sense and may be the only option.
We are retired so,don't do high mileages. The higher price of evs is another factor so the price to change buys a lot of fuel.

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Quote: Originally posted by boff on 05/1/2022
Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 05/1/2022
Depending upon the miles driven per week it is estimated that the average driver would only need a recharge every three weeks.
saxo1



That would hint at an annual mileage of no more than 5000PA



The average mileage in 2019 for a car has come down to 7400 miles, in 2020 due to the pandemic this reduced down to 5920.

The average age of cars on UK roads is 8.6 years.

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 05/1/2022
Quote: Originally posted by boff on 05/1/2022
Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 05/1/2022
Depending upon the miles driven per week it is estimated that the average driver would only need a recharge every three weeks.
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That would hint at an annual mileage of no more than 5000PA



The average mileage in 2019 for a car has come down to 7400 miles, in 2020 due to the pandemic this reduced down to 5920.

The average age of cars on UK roads is 8.6 years.

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LOL, the average doesn't mean a lot though. I drive 18,000+ per year in a
30 year old Land Rover I imagine that most people drive more than that but I imagine the the average is skewed by the number of people who only drive their car once or twice a week.

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Averages are very misleading, my eldest son does app 25000 miles pa my youngest son works from home and does app 2500,for the last 5 years I have done app 4000 pa and my wife app 1500 mile pa.
This has been skewed by the lockdowns and it is difficult to guess what future driving habits will be.
quote"In 2020, due to a nationwide lockdown during the pandemic, the average annual mileage for UK drivers saw a sharp decrease, with the Department of Transport predicting a drop of as much as 21.3% compared to the previous year. That would see the UK’s average annual mileage at just 5,920 miles in 2020."

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i was always under the impression that the average mileage was around 12k, it would appear that that figure has long gone.
my normal mileage would be around 18k but my wifes is about 4k

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Pre-Covid my average mileage was around 8,000. In 2020 it was 3,620 and last year 5,020. I would expect my mileage this year to be similar to last year. When I was driving coaches 40 years ago in Norfolk the average mileage I drove a year ran into 10s if not 100s of thousands a year, but my car mileage was probably not much more than today as I lived next door to the coach depot. Averages can be very misleading and can give a very distorted impression of reality.

The same for the average age of cars. It probably is as Bessie says, but then there are a number of brand new cars on the roads every year, but there are still a great many on the roads that are over 15 years old. Some well over 20.


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