Home

   Log in or Register



Insurance Quotes
forums Campsite Search Comp Directory tips virtual brochure Profile
Tent and Awning Reviews Competitions Caravans and Motorhomes For Sale Shopping Diary Contact Us

Advertisement

Message Forums

Welcome Guest Register Login Search The Forum Posts Since Last Visit
 Reception - All Forums
   Caravans and Caravanning -  Caravan Towcars and Towing Advice
Share   Tweet This!  Share on Facebook  Email  Printer Friendly Version Print
Subject Topic: Are electric cars the future
Page:  1  ....  12  13  14  15  16  17  18  19  20  21 Post Reply Post New Topic
Message posted by saxo106/1/2022 at 12:49pm
Outfit:       Location:  
Joined: 29/10/2005
View saxo1's Profile View Profile   Reply to saxo1 Reply   Quote saxo1 Quote  
saxo1
Avatar
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   4197

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Fleet sales and private sales are now roughly 50/50
saxo1

Message posted by boff06/1/2022 at 12:57pm
Outfit:  Hymer Nova 590GL     Location:  N Wales
Joined: 13/2/2005
View boff's Profile View Profile   Reply to boff Reply   Quote boff Quote  
boff
Avatar
Platinum Member
Platinum Member

Forum Posts:   528

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Looking at the weather today. Iím not sure I associate convertible with fun.

Message posted by 664DaveS via mobile 06/1/2022 at 2:27pm
Outfit:       Location:  
Joined: 24/7/2007
View 664DaveS's Profile View Profile   Reply to 664DaveS Reply   Quote 664DaveS Quote  
664DaveS
Avatar
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   3988

Site Reviews Total: 43
Site Reviews 2022: 4  
Site Reviews 2021: 6  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 3  
Site Reviews 2018: 4  
Site Nights 2022: 35
Site Nights 2021: 56
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 20
Site Nights 2018: 41

No our Mini,had a white roof this morning! It's back to normal now. NomEV version is available as convertible yet.

There is an interesting series on TV,Fifth Gear Recharged where they try mainly electric and hybrids. The Skoda Enyaq did well, they actually towed a small caravan with it.

-------------
DS-There's more to life than football!!!

Message posted by Colin2106/1/2022 at 2:46pm
Outfit:  1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail     Location:  East Herts
Joined: 05/11/2013
View Colin21's Profile View Profile   Reply to Colin21 Reply   Quote Colin21 Quote  
Colin21
Avatar
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   5268

Site Reviews Total: 15
Site Reviews 2022: 1  
Site Reviews 2021: 2  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 2  
Site Reviews 2018: 3  
Site Nights 2022: 8
Site Nights 2021: 18
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 21
Site Nights 2018: 18

Quote: Originally posted by 664DaveS on 06/1/2022
No our Mini,had a white roof this morning! It's back to normal now. NomEV version is available as convertible yet.

There is an interesting series on TV,Fifth Gear Recharged where they try mainly electric and hybrids. The Skoda Enyaq did well, they actually towed a small caravan with it.



That TV programme does sound interesting, I might just give that a look-in. Not that any suitable EV is within my price-range yet, and may never be, but I'm always interested in new technology. An EV could probably tow my caravan as its not very heavy (under 1 tonne). It does however have a similar frontal area to the largest twin-axle model though, so maybe not.



-------------
Best Regards,
Colin

Message posted by bessie500 via mobile 06/1/2022 at 3:04pm
Outfit:  Ford Kuga Coachman Pastiche 575     Location:  Lancashire
Joined: 11/9/2006
View bessie500's Profile View Profile   Reply to bessie500 Reply   Quote bessie500 Quote  
bessie500
Avatar
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   2008

Site Reviews Total: 2
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 2  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 11
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 06/1/2022
Fleet sales and private sales are now roughly 50/50
saxo1



Youíre correct they are, private sales are up from 35% the year before I suspect that is down to Covid and people having more money due to not having the ability to spend it.

Bessie

Advertisement


Message posted by tdrees06/1/2022 at 3:26pm
Outfit:  Bailey Unicorn S3 Vigo + Polestar 2     Location:  Northamptonshire
Joined: 28/4/2009
View tdrees's Profile View Profile   Reply to tdrees Reply   Quote tdrees Quote  
tdrees
Avatar
Silver Member
Silver Member

Forum Posts:   139

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 06/1/2022

That TV programme does sound interesting, I might just give that a look-in. Not that any suitable EV is within my price-range yet, and may never be, but I'm always interested in new technology. An EV could probably tow my caravan as its not very heavy (under 1 tonne). It does however have a similar frontal area to the largest twin-axle model though, so maybe not.



If you are under 1000kg, then there are a number of EVs on the market today that absolutely could tow it. But are all new - so remain costly. In case you have not seen it, I did a trip report using my EV to tow by Bailey Unicon Vigo S3 (MTPLM 1550) here. Its a full sized single axle fixed bed four berth so a decent size if not huge.

Message posted by Colin2106/1/2022 at 5:11pm
Outfit:  1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail     Location:  East Herts
Joined: 05/11/2013
View Colin21's Profile View Profile   Reply to Colin21 Reply   Quote Colin21 Quote  
Colin21
Avatar
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   5268

Site Reviews Total: 15
Site Reviews 2022: 1  
Site Reviews 2021: 2  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 2  
Site Reviews 2018: 3  
Site Nights 2022: 8
Site Nights 2021: 18
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 21
Site Nights 2018: 18

Quote: Originally posted by tdrees on 06/1/2022
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 06/1/2022

That TV programme does sound interesting, I might just give that a look-in. Not that any suitable EV is within my price-range yet, and may never be, but I'm always interested in new technology. An EV could probably tow my caravan as its not very heavy (under 1 tonne). It does however have a similar frontal area to the largest twin-axle model though, so maybe not.



If you are under 1000kg, then there are a number of EVs on the market today that absolutely could tow it. But are all new - so remain costly. In case you have not seen it, I did a trip report using my EV to tow by Bailey Unicon Vigo S3 (MTPLM 1550) here. Its a full sized single axle fixed bed four berth so a decent size if not huge.




No I had somehow missed that report, but I have just read it and found it very interesting and informative.

Cost is very much the biggest stumbling block for me, much more so than range or any other consideration. Many of my current day to day journeys could very easily be done with a BEV, and I could very easily charge one at home. I don't do a high annual mileage, probably around 5,000 now that I am retired, and when we go on holiday our holiday starts from the moment we hitch up the caravan. We aren't in a race and we have absolutely no desire to do 350 miles in one go either. In fact these days it is highly unlikely we would even go 350 miles in one day! If we really wanted to go that sort of distance from home, we would probably do it over two or even three days. All part of the holiday and all that. I used to drive thousands of miles as a coach driver in my younger days, but these days I find I get much too tired when driving long distances. I don't feel that I am safe if I overdo it, so why do it?

In many ways I would be the ideal candidate for an EV, but unfortunately the gap between the cost of a suitable one and my absolute maximum budget for a car is astronomical. Nothing even remotely suitable comes anywhere near close to being affordable. In any case, I went way over my usual budget when buying the diesel X Trail I have now so I am still paying that off. I usually buy cash-on-the-nail but this is the first time I have had to borrow for a car in over 50 years. I will give up driving before I do that again too.



-------------
Best Regards,
Colin

Message posted by billy via mobile 12/1/2022 at 7:20am
Outfit:  Caravelair Alba 400     Location:  North Essex
Joined: 19/4/2002
View billy's Profile View Profile   Reply to billy Reply   Quote billy Quote  
billy
Avatar
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   4197

Site Reviews Total: 23
Site Reviews 2022: 6  
Site Reviews 2021: 10 
Site Reviews 2020: 7  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2022: 86
Site Nights 2021: 112
Site Nights 2020: 84
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

I would say touring caravanning as we know it ends with the end of fossil fuelled cars. When this will be will be a combination of politics & car manufacturers who are pushing electric now to the extent that they may well end fossil fuel production well before the deadline.

With the massive costs of electric drive train development to recoup the makers will not want their own fossil fuelled product to take sales from electric product.

As for affordability I recall houses were £10k when I bought mine & it was predicted house prices would eventually rise to £120k. I didnít believe them then but I do now & fact is electric cars will become affordable as well.

-------------
Every day should be a holiday!

Message posted by tdrees via mobile 12/1/2022 at 9:59am
Outfit:  Bailey Unicorn S3 Vigo + Polestar 2     Location:  Northamptonshire
Joined: 28/4/2009
View tdrees's Profile View Profile   Reply to tdrees Reply   Quote tdrees Quote  
tdrees
Avatar
Silver Member
Silver Member

Forum Posts:   139

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Quote: Originally posted by billy on 12/1/2022
I would say touring caravanning as we know it ends with the end of fossil fuelled cars. When this will be will be a combination of politics & car manufacturers who are pushing electric now to the extent that they may well end fossil fuel production well before the deadline.

With the massive costs of electric drive train development to recoup the makers will not want their own fossil fuelled product to take sales from electric product.

As for affordability I recall houses were £10k when I bought mine & it was predicted house prices would eventually rise to £120k. I didnít believe them then but I do now & fact is electric cars will become affordable as well.



Why would touring caravanning end with the end of fossil fuel cars? As I see it there are two barriers (aside from cost which you eloquently address) to wide adoption (I already tow with an EV) EV towing. 1) range. 2) recharging while hitched. Solving no 2) also solves 1) with a suitable low recharge time EV. Itís fairly easy to envisage a future EV in as little as 18-24 months with 100kWh, 800v (or higher) system that could recharge 10-80 in 20 mins . That would give a solo range of potentially 400-450 miles and a towing range of 200 to 250.
Add in ďalong sideĒ charging locations for car + caravan, and you have and solution. Thatís without even examining the possibility of powered caravan chassis with embedded batteries and motors controlled by the car.


Post last edited on 12/01/2022 10:12:16

Message posted by billy via mobile 12/1/2022 at 10:50am
Outfit:  Caravelair Alba 400     Location:  North Essex
Joined: 19/4/2002
View billy's Profile View Profile   Reply to billy Reply   Quote billy Quote  
billy
Avatar
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   4197

Site Reviews Total: 23
Site Reviews 2022: 6  
Site Reviews 2021: 10 
Site Reviews 2020: 7  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2022: 86
Site Nights 2021: 112
Site Nights 2020: 84
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

I did say ďas we know itĒ. That might be the M5 heading down to Devon & Cornwall in the summer. Are they going to provide drive through charging points for all those outfits ? Are campsites going to provide charging sockets on every pitch ?

It may happen but it is not caravanning as we know it now. The issue with longer ranges & faster charging is the high voltages & amps involved. A jolt from that & you would be a pile of carbon black. So maintenance of both vehicles & chargers would need to be first class.

-------------
Every day should be a holiday!

Advertisement


Message posted by 664DaveS via mobile 12/1/2022 at 11:01am
Outfit:       Location:  
Joined: 24/7/2007
View 664DaveS's Profile View Profile   Reply to 664DaveS Reply   Quote 664DaveS Quote  
664DaveS
Avatar
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   3988

Site Reviews Total: 43
Site Reviews 2022: 4  
Site Reviews 2021: 6  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 3  
Site Reviews 2018: 4  
Site Nights 2022: 35
Site Nights 2021: 56
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 20
Site Nights 2018: 41

It is often difficult to,find a parking place in service areas with a caravan. The dedicated slots being used by inconsiderate car or van drivers! You end up parking with the trucks, if there is room.

There are no charge points big enough for a car and trailer or even a larger van at the moment.

I think the technology will improve but at the moment a hybrid or plug in hybrid would replace our towcar.After 2035 I will probably be too old to caravan anyway.

-------------
DS-There's more to life than football!!!

Message posted by tdrees12/1/2022 at 12:13pm
Outfit:  Bailey Unicorn S3 Vigo + Polestar 2     Location:  Northamptonshire
Joined: 28/4/2009
View tdrees's Profile View Profile   Reply to tdrees Reply   Quote tdrees Quote  
tdrees
Avatar
Silver Member
Silver Member

Forum Posts:   139

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Quote: Originally posted by billy on 12/1/2022
I did say ďas we know itĒ. That might be the M5 heading down to Devon & Cornwall in the summer. Are they going to provide drive through charging points for all those outfits ?



I don't think there is any reason why not. Today the charging infrastructure is still in its relative infancy and growing a vast rate. I can easily envisage charging points for EVs towing caravans.

Quote:
Are campsites going to provide charging sockets on every pitch ?


In some senses they already do - we call them electric hook ups. I charge my car through those via the caravan.

Quote:
It may happen but it is not caravanning as we know it now. The issue with longer ranges & faster charging is the high voltages & amps involved. A jolt from that & you would be a pile of carbon black. So maintenance of both vehicles & chargers would need to be first class.



That's just basic car maintenance and vehicle safety. One could just as easily argue that with a bigger fuel tanks and a spark and you are a firework. EVs are no more inherently dangerous to charge that ICE cars are to fuel.

Message posted by tdrees12/1/2022 at 12:33pm
Outfit:  Bailey Unicorn S3 Vigo + Polestar 2     Location:  Northamptonshire
Joined: 28/4/2009
View tdrees's Profile View Profile   Reply to tdrees Reply   Quote tdrees Quote  
tdrees
Avatar
Silver Member
Silver Member

Forum Posts:   139

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Quote: Originally posted by 664DaveS on 12/1/2022
It is often difficult to,find a parking place in service areas with a caravan. The dedicated slots being used by inconsiderate car or van drivers! You end up parking with the trucks, if there is room.

There are no charge points big enough for a car and trailer or even a larger van at the moment.

I think the technology will improve but at the moment a hybrid or plug in hybrid would replace our towcar.After 2035 I will probably be too old to caravan anyway.



I don't disagree that parking in service areas can tough today. Or that either sufficient rapid chargers are available (there are lots, but we need lots more) or that today incredibly few are "drive through". But that does not stop EV towing of caravans being possible, it's just different. I absolutely agree that better range and charging options would make life easier, but it's not a barrier to touring today.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "as we know it". For me - that means towing my caravan all over the UK, stopping every couple of hours for a break, visiting different types of site - CL, club site, EHU and non-EHU. It's what I used to do with an ICE to car, and its what I still do with an EV.

Message posted by Colin2112/1/2022 at 4:46pm
Outfit:  1992 Elddis Wisp 450CT + X Trail     Location:  East Herts
Joined: 05/11/2013
View Colin21's Profile View Profile   Reply to Colin21 Reply   Quote Colin21 Quote  
Colin21
Avatar
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   5268

Site Reviews Total: 15
Site Reviews 2022: 1  
Site Reviews 2021: 2  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 2  
Site Reviews 2018: 3  
Site Nights 2022: 8
Site Nights 2021: 18
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 21
Site Nights 2018: 18

Quote: Originally posted by 664DaveS on 12/1/2022
I think the technology will improve but at the moment a hybrid or plug in hybrid would replace our towcar.After 2035 I will probably be too old to caravan anyway.



Likewise. If I'm even still around in 2035, caravanning will be the least of my worries. I doubt whether I will still be driving anyway as I'll be in my mid-80s. You never know though.

My plan is to keep the car I have now for as long as possible, as it is ideal for all my current needs. It and my caravan are probably the last I'll ever have of each anyway.


-------------
Best Regards,
Colin

Message posted by billy12/1/2022 at 6:23pm
Outfit:  Caravelair Alba 400     Location:  North Essex
Joined: 19/4/2002
View billy's Profile View Profile   Reply to billy Reply   Quote billy Quote  
billy
Avatar
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   4197

Site Reviews Total: 23
Site Reviews 2022: 6  
Site Reviews 2021: 10 
Site Reviews 2020: 7  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2022: 86
Site Nights 2021: 112
Site Nights 2020: 84
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

The dangers of filling up with petrol are negated by users common sense. With electric charging we just have to trust. All I was really pointing out is that you cannot change the laws of physics. If we get to 5minute charging for a 500mile range then the amount of current required to charge at that speed for that much range is huge. Is it even deliverable ? Campsite electric hookups deliver no more than 16amps & many less than that. Charging will be very slow & you still need to use available current for the usual caravan stuff.

-------------
Every day should be a holiday!

Message posted by saxo112/1/2022 at 7:46pm
Outfit:       Location:  
Joined: 29/10/2005
View saxo1's Profile View Profile   Reply to saxo1 Reply   Quote saxo1 Quote  
saxo1
Avatar
Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   4197

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

The reason that 800V charging is used is to deliver the amps required while not needing to increase the cable size this reduces the amount of copper/weight in the drivetrain.
Higher voltage means less current flowing in the charging cables.
saxo1

Post last edited on 12/01/2022 19:51:47


In order to post a reply you will need to register, or if already registered please log in here

  Prev      Next

Jump To Page:  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  18  19  20  21

Quick Links - All Forums - Caravan Towcars and Towing Advice - Top of Page

Printer Friendly Version Printable version      Share   Tweet This!  Share on Facebook  Email


Latest News, Discounts and Competitions  see all...





2490 Visitors online !

Free UKCampsite.co.uk Window Sticker  -  Recommend to Friend

[Message Forums]  [Caravan Sites & Camping]  [Company Listings]  [Features / Advice]  [Virtual Brochure]  [Shop!]
[Reception]  [Competitions]  [Caravans & Motorhomes For Sale]  [Event Diary]  [Contact Us]  [Tent Reviews



Please note we are not responsible for the content of external sites & any reviews represent the author's personal view only. Please report any error here. You may view our privacy and cookie policy and terms and conditions here. All copyrights & other intellectual property rights in the design and content of this web site are reserved to the UKCampsite.co.uk © 1999 - 2022


Advertisement


Advertisement