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Message posted by Bob6121/8/2021 at 1:38pm
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Quote: Originally posted by boff on 21/8/2021
These back streets old Terrace housing?   Were they originally built with mains electricity?   Clue the answer is no. Do they have electricity now?   Clue the answer is yes.   So anything is possible generally if you want or need it to be.   



The first terrace housing was built in London in the 1630's but became more popular after the Great Fire of London in 1666.

The National Grid was completed by 1935...so didn't take long then?

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Quote: Originally posted by martin734 on 21/8/2021
Quote: Originally posted by boff on 20/8/2021
More than 200 miles per day?   Well within the range of my BEV today. Not some maybe technology tomorrow.    



What vehicle do you have? How long on a standard speed charger does it take to charge from 10% to 100% charged? can it do 200 miles at an average of about 50 mph at night with the headlights on? Can it do 200 miles while carrying a 1000 kg payload or towing a trailer? Can it drive 200 miles to a site in the middle of nowhere with no means of charging and then drive 200 miles back the next day? These are all things that I do regularly for work and which is why a BEV will be unlikely to ever be a suitable vehicle whereas an FCV that can be refuelled in 5 minutes would be suitable.



To be honest getting bored with this.    Getting the feeling whatever I answer you will say but I need a car that can fly.   You must be lucky to go to a site in the middle of nowhere but still be close to one of the 11 hydrogen refuelling stations in the U.K. Finally which of the 2 hydrogen powered cars available today will you choose and what towing capacity do the have?   Speaking personally I think you need a Hilux.

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If this going to happen then it will be governments that have to make it happen. Free market economics is not up to this job. There is enough wealth in the world to provide electric cars for all. The issue is the distribution of that wealth.

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Quote: Originally posted by boff on 21/8/2021
Quote: Originally posted by martin734 on 21/8/2021
Quote: Originally posted by boff on 20/8/2021
More than 200 miles per day?   Well within the range of my BEV today. Not some maybe technology tomorrow.    



What vehicle do you have? How long on a standard speed charger does it take to charge from 10% to 100% charged? can it do 200 miles at an average of about 50 mph at night with the headlights on? Can it do 200 miles while carrying a 1000 kg payload or towing a trailer? Can it drive 200 miles to a site in the middle of nowhere with no means of charging and then drive 200 miles back the next day? These are all things that I do regularly for work and which is why a BEV will be unlikely to ever be a suitable vehicle whereas an FCV that can be refuelled in 5 minutes would be suitable.



To be honest getting bored with this.    Getting the feeling whatever I answer you will say but I need a car that can fly.   You must be lucky to go to a site in the middle of nowhere but still be close to one of the 11 hydrogen refuelling stations in the U.K. Finally which of the 2 hydrogen powered cars available today will you choose and what towing capacity do the have?   Speaking personally I think you need a Hilux.


What I am trying to explain is at the minute, BEV's are the only real alternative to petrol or diesel, but they are not a long term viable replacement with current technology, nor is battery technology likely to improve enough in the foreseeable future to make them practical enough for everyone. HFCV's on the other hand have the potential to be a genuine and practical replacement to current vehicles, but at the minute, the infrastructure is not there yet to make them so. I genuinely believe that FCV's are far more practical for every type of road vehicle and the technology is already where it needs to be. Once the refuelling infrastructure is in place for them their practicality, ease of use and longer lifespan will make them are far better choice than BEV's, and I don't have or want a Hilux, my Defender 130 does everything I need.

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At this point in time the use of hydrogen is mainly being considered for generation and large engine vehicles, trains etc.
The production of green hydrogen is reliant on excess wind and solar energy,there is no excess available yet, it is being used to reduce reliance on fossil fuels in power stations.
The infrastructure is already in place to transmit electricity to recharge BEVs, the cost to install the necessary to provide enough hydrogen filling stations will be a stumbling block for some time.
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Seen on a campsite in south west France Ďtother day. A Swiss reg Tesla towing an Opus trailer tent. It had got here somehow

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Message posted by saxo121/8/2021 at 9:13pm
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"Electric vehicle (EV) batteries with a range similar to internal combustion engines and which can charge in as little as 12 minutes are among projects awarded £91 million of government and industry funding."
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Only a matter of time before you can buy a electric car that will suit everyoneís needs, letís face it cars trucks ships and planes are all being tested on the capability of electric.

It will happen sooner than you think, me Iím more than happy running on electric going to and from work, saving £190 per month, if he journey in longer well I just put it in hybrid mode and achieve 65+ to a gallon

Donít forget the vast majority of second hand cars that come available are ex fleet cars, ie company cars.since nobody is picking diesel they will become harder to find

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China developed and has been using blade type batteries in vehicles of various kinds for a number of years , and from what I understand are a great success. Some of the advantages of blade batteries are the ability to be rapid chargable , have a range of a thousand miles or more , and are relatively economicle to produce, they also have a long life span due to the low temperature that they function at, When will more advanced technology be released into Europe who knows,possibly it will be when the powers that be think we are ready for it , and when it suites them.

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My wife son works for a chinese company He is based in Munich he is a car designer and they just make Electric cars for their own Chinese market so are not bothered about Tesla and the likes. The companies name is Nio and they seem to be doing quite well.

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The Chinese make everything these days, especially electrical stuff, so if anyone can make a successful BEV, I'm sure they can.



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The CMC mag tested a Tesla towing a small Bailey van this month. Apparently towed well, but you can't get onto the charge point with a trailer.
So un hitch leave van go to charge point.
Hope they aren't in use or broken.
Come back hope no-one has nicked your caravan!
We are happy with our trusty diesel, if we replace it it will be another or a hybrid,plug in or self charging.
The infrastructure needs improvement first.

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People can harp on about the virtues of diesel and petrol vehicles as much as they want. The fact is that like it or not the plan is to phase them out, and nothing is going to stop this from happening. We can see the cost of petrol and diesel going upwards, together with the cost of road tax and the additional cost to enter cities, This is all part of the World wide plan to get rid of old technology and phase in the new. After 2030 the sale of petrol or diesel engines is going to be illegal, this is already being reflected in the increase of electric vehicles that can be seen on the roads. I was once one of the anti electric sceptics who believed that nothing could replace petrol or diesel. After doing a bit of research and understanding the enormous benefits that electric vehicles have. I now realise how wrong I was.


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I take your point Dimbles, and I very much like the idea of electric vehicles. I would have one like a shot if I could find one that I could afford and which would do everything that I want. Unfortunately no such vehicle exists and probably won't during my remaining lifetime. A lot of other people are probably in the same boat.

After 2030 sales of petrol and diesel CARS will be illegal, but I suspect there will still be diesel engines on sale in other applications long after I'm gone, and probably even after 2050. There are many applications of the diesel engine where there is simply no practical alternative at present, one has yet to be invented.

I suspect that before the electric car becomes a practical proposition for absolutely everybody, there will have to be a dramatic change in our way of life. Simply replacing all existing cars with electric ones just isn't going to happen in my opinion, we will need a completely new approach. I am inclined to think that the most practical way forward is to stop thinking of the car as a personal possession and move towards a system where people hire by the hour the most suitable vehicle for their needs at that moment. This is already happening in some cities, and it could be adapted throughout the entire country. As most private cars spend 95% of their lives parked up somewhere, that system would also do much to alleviate congestion caused by parked cars too. Yes I too believe that electric cars are the future, but not in the way we see cars today. It simply isn't practical.



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Quote: Originally posted by dimbles on 29/8/2021
People can harp on about the virtues of diesel and petrol vehicles as much as they want. The fact is that like it or not the plan is to phase them out, and nothing is going to stop this from happening. We can see the cost of petrol and diesel going upwards, together with the cost of road tax and the additional cost to enter cities, This is all part of the World wide plan to get rid of old technology and phase in the new. After 2030 the sale of petrol or diesel engines is going to be illegal, this is already being reflected in the increase of electric vehicles that can be seen on the roads. I was once one of the anti electric sceptics who believed that nothing could replace petrol or diesel. After doing a bit of research and understanding the enormous benefits that electric vehicles have. I now realise how wrong I was.





supposing they put diesel up to £10 a gallon I'll still buy it and as for VED let hem put it up , still won't be buying a battery car
I only do 4,500-5000 miles per annum so the cost of battery car that can tow is non cost effective for the little mileage I do .
Besides there will still be diesel and petrol on the the road after 2030 .
Do seriously think poor 3rd world countries that produce oil will go all electric , I doubt it .
Global warming is unstoppable , doesn't matter what we do its happening and the world has to adapt .
This banning fossil fuels is a kneejerk reaction as is banning gas boilers
The cost of changing heating systems in evert house here in the UK and to expect householders to pay exorbitant costs involved is a non starter




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I'd be very interested to hear what you think the world can do to adapt to global warming if nothing is done to stop it neil and iona. I suspect it will eventually involve the population being massively reduced.


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