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Message posted by saxo129/8/2021 at 7:34pm
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Poor third world countries have a tiny amount of vehicles compared to the richer countries, if they continued to use diesel and petrol vehicles their effect on global warming wouldn't be a major concern. Another factor is that if no new fossil fuel powered vehicles are built the supply of used petrol/diesel vehicles will dry up, so whether they want it or not they will be forced to change.
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I suspect that even in this country the use of petrol and diesel cars is only a very tiny part of the problem, and that if we got rid of them all next week the impact would be at best, marginal. There are so many other factors which combined make up a far bigger part of the environmental problems.

It is also possible to make oil-powered vehicles last very much longer than we currently do. There are "classic" cars from the 1950s and 1960s still around, despite the fact that their expected life was generally only about 10 years. Today's vehicles if looked after will normally last twice that, so with care and good maintenance they could probably last 40 - 50 years. It will probably be the cost and availability of fuel that seals the fate of many cars. As it is predominantly the fuel used by commercial vehicles I think diesel will be available for a good many years yet, but I'm not so sure about petrol. That is only really used by cars and small powered tools.



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you've got that right , the world is overpopulated
supposing we change every fossil fueled vehicle to electric
change every house to carbon free heating in the world
stop all but essential flights
persuade the worst polluting countries to change their way's
encourage everybody to eat less meat
this will take decades and decades , by then the worst of global warming will be upon us .
Yes we can all do our bit but its Damage Limitation and how the worlds population adapts to the way we live .

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"It is also possible to make oil-powered vehicles last very much longer than we currently do. There are "classic" cars from the 1950s and 1960s still around, despite the fact that their expected life was generally only about 10 years. Today's vehicles if looked after will normally last twice that, so with care and good maintenance they could probably last 40 - 50 years"

It was relatively simple to keep older vehicles running, spare parts could be manufactured by a reasonably competent engineer. The same doesn't apply to modern cars with all the electronics needing chips etc.
I ran older cars and could do most repairs at the roadside, nowadays I lift the bonnet scratch my head and shut the bonnet!
The majority of old cars from the 50s and 60s are owned by enthusiasts and do very little mileage each year they are hobbies rather than everyday transport.
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 30/8/2021
"It is also possible to make oil-powered vehicles last very much longer than we currently do. There are "classic" cars from the 1950s and 1960s still around, despite the fact that their expected life was generally only about 10 years. Today's vehicles if looked after will normally last twice that, so with care and good maintenance they could probably last 40 - 50 years"

It was relatively simple to keep older vehicles running, spare parts could be manufactured by a reasonably competent engineer. The same doesn't apply to modern cars with all the electronics needing chips etc.
I ran older cars and could do most repairs at the roadside, nowadays I lift the bonnet scratch my head and shut the bonnet!
The majority of old cars from the 50s and 60s are owned by enthusiasts and do very little mileage each year they are hobbies rather than everyday transport.
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I know just what you mean, I used to do all my own repairs too. I even ran a vehicle workshop at one time, but like you I look under my car's bonnet and scratch my head.

However, there are people who do understand more modern vehicles, like my local garage, and If there was a market for parts I'm sure many companies would soon spring up to make them. At present its not really worth it because most people don't keep their vehicles long, unlike me. My current car is 13 years old and I intend to keep it running until I can no longer drive. I sold a Volvo 2 years ago which was 20 years old, and it is still going today. Looked after, a modern car should easily go 30 years, so a car built in 2029 should still be going in 2059, although I won't be as I'd be 110.


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Message posted by saxo130/8/2021 at 1:29pm
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it is possible but it will be a niche industry, it isn't in the car industry's interest to continue making spares for obsolete vehicles they just want to sell new vehicles.
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 30/8/2021
it is possible but it will be a niche industry, it isn't in the car industry's interest to continue making spares for obsolete vehicles they just want to sell new vehicles.
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That is one of the things I love about my Land Rover, there are still going to be spares and parts available for a long time to come because of the large number of independent part manufacturers that are still making bits for them, and the interchangeability of parts between models. My 130 started life as a 2.5 diesel, it then changed to a 4.2 petrol and now has a Range Rover 4.6 petrol engine connected to a gearbox from a Discovery. I do all of the repairs and modifications myself and all spares are very easy to obtain.

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A friend has a small local garage and does all repairs on pretty much any vehicle, I was talking to him recently and he is going to reduce the repair side of his business and just concentrate on MOTs, minor repairs and routine servicing due difficulty in obtaining spares for even relatively modern makes.
He tries to source used parts to keep the costs down for his customers but even that is drying up.
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For those who want an insight into whats happening with regards to the phasing out of petrol and diesel, It could be worth having a look at the Fully Charged Show on Youtube. One interesting article was about the coming electrification of transport in the USA starting next year with the introduction of a lot of different electric vehicles ranging from heavy trucks to SUV,s buses and taxis, I believe they are using China as a blue print where it took less than two years for a 100% change over in some places.

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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 30/8/2021
A friend has a small local garage and does all repairs on pretty much any vehicle, I was talking to him recently and he is going to reduce the repair side of his business and just concentrate on MOTs, minor repairs and routine servicing due difficulty in obtaining spares for even relatively modern makes.
He tries to source used parts to keep the costs down for his customers but even that is drying up.
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The problem supplying used parts is he is liable when they go wrong.
and it's his time rectifying the problem,
he'll make more money sticking with MOT's and servicing cars.
A mate of mine has a garage, he refuses to fit customers own parts even if the are new.
He always says would you take your own steak to a restaurant and expect them to cook it , seems to work when you say that

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The problem with supplying new parts for old vehicles is the availability and the cost which makes it uneconomical.
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If you have a popular classic such as Land Rover, Mini or MG etc there's a huge range of parts available.
I had a couple of classic LRs, no problem with parts.
I ran a 2007 Saab until a couple of years ago. Everyday service parts were no problem, but some other parts are getting scarce.
Parts for more modern but out of production cars can be difficult to get.

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I think it is really difficult to tell how things will go regarding parts. I never had any problem with my Volvo, although I'm sure other makes would be different. I'm sure that if a market appeared for replacement parts, some independent manufacturer would seize the opportunity. At the moment such a market would be small to non-existent, but that could easily change if people started keeping their cars longer. It could go either way, so only time will tell.

There is also much more cross-over with makes and models these days, and manufacturers seem to be using parts that are common to many different models much more than they used to. Obviously it keeps costs down. For example, my 2008 Nissan X Trail has a Renault engine and shares quite a few parts (apparently) with the more recent models of Nissan's.


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A lot of the more modern vehicles have complex electronics which rely on chipsets which aren't easy to manufacture, the electronics industry can't keep up with the demand at the moment and the demand will increase tremendously with the advent of EV's in production.
It may be possible to manufacture or refurbish mechanical parts but electronics is a different ball game.
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There are people and companies who can repair and refurbish ecus but it's a skilled job and requires test equipment.
I suspect good vehicles are scrapped as faulty electronic modules are not available.
I was trained in high density circuit board repair in the RAF.They had avionics servicing bays on units and a specialised repair depot.

Modern units are more reliable, but faulty boxes are exchanged on the aircraft and go back to manufacturer for repair now.

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ECUs etc can no doubt be refurbished but to pay someone to remove it from the vehicle without damaging it more, getting a replacement for an old vehicle reprogramming the security system etc will probably cost more than the car is worth,for an aircraft worth millions it is a viable proposition.
Even getting a key fob re-programmed can cost several hundred pounds.
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