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Message posted by dimbles01/9/2021 at 2:20pm
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Oh yes it wont be long before folks are reminiscing about the good old days of being ripped off with the annual service or having to replace engines with as little as 400,000 miles on them, or the sluggish cars that took as long as 10 seconds to get from o to 60, and also cost a fortune to keep on the road.
Its a complete mystery why on Earth anyone would want an electric car.

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Quote: Originally posted by dimbles on 01/9/2021
Oh yes it wont be long before folks are reminiscing about the good old days of being ripped off with the annual service or having to replace engines with as little as 400,000 miles on them, or the sluggish cars that took as long as 10 seconds to get from o to 60, and also cost a fortune to keep on the road.
Its a complete mystery why on Earth anyone would want an electric car.



They'll also be reminiscing about being able to pick up a quite usable car with a valid MOT for under 1,000.

Also I can remember a time when if you got 80,000 miles out of an engine you were doing well. With my 1957 Anglia that I had in the 1960s the engine was virtually knackered at 50,000 miles. Now engines are barely run in at that sort of mileage



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They may also be reminiscing about how much it cost them to meet the future stringent emission standards to pass the MOT and how their beloved car had to be scrapped because it couldn't meet them!
All the gov needs to do to make BEVs more attractive is make the emissions standards more demanding and difficult or impossible to meet for a large percent of fossil fuelled vehicles.
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 01/9/2021
They may also be reminiscing about how much it cost them to meet the future stringent emission standards to pass the MOT and how their beloved car had to be scrapped because it couldn't meet them!
All the gov needs to do to make BEVs more attractive is make the emissions standards more demanding and difficult or impossible to meet for a large percent of fossil fuelled vehicles.
saxo1



Taking that approach (stick rather than carrot) would mean that an awful lot of people, including me probably, would simply not be able to have a car. I would certainly sign any petition against such a move. That is not so much making BEVs more attractive, as making oil-fuelled cars less attractive, not the same thing at all.

I would have a BEV tomorrow if it were possible to find one that would do all my Nissan X Trail will do, as I can only afford to have one vehicle for everything. Unfortunately, such a vehicle simply doesn't yet exist and if it did I wouldn't be able to afford it and nor would millions of others.
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"Taking that approach (stick rather than carrot) would mean that an awful lot of people, including me probably, would simply not be able to have a car"

It is already being considered,DVSA 2020:
The MoT test is to be made stricter, with cars having to meet more stringent emissions targets in the future, according to the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency (DVSA). The annual roadworthiness check will also be updated to ensure recent developments in safety technology are inspected to ensure proper operation.
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I would have a BEV tomorrow if it were possible to find one that would do all my Nissan X Trail will do, as I can only afford to have one vehicle for everything. Unfortunately, such a vehicle simply doesn't yet exist and if it did I wouldn't be able to afford it and nor would millions of others.
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The person who told you they do not exist ,has been telling you porky pies.

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I would have a BEV tomorrow if it were possible to find one that would do all my Nissan X Trail will do, as I can only afford to have one vehicle for everything. Unfortunately, such a vehicle simply doesn't yet exist and if it did I wouldn't be able to afford it and nor would millions of others.
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colin you can buy a car now that will do everything you want, it's made by kia it starts at 40k which yes i know its a lot of money but its the same price as what your volvo was when new.

As with everything when it gets older it will become cheaper since electric cars are so new nobody knows yet what the 15year rv will be only time will tell.

One thing for sure is they are incredibly cheap to run, standing at a petrol pump feels very strange when you only do it every 4 months

i live with electric everyday and can assure you it's brilliant

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500
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colin you can buy a car now that will do everything you want, it's made by kia it starts at 40k which yes i know its a lot of money but its the same price as what your volvo was when new.

As with everything when it gets older it will become cheaper since electric cars are so new nobody knows yet what the 15year rv will be only time will tell.

One thing for sure is they are incredibly cheap to run, standing at a petrol pump feels very strange when you only do it every 4 months

i live with electric everyday and can assure you it's brilliant

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With the bar batteries now coming off line in China things are going to change drastically over a short time, They have a much higher output than anything that is available at the moment, together with a comparative light weight an expected life span between 20 and 30 years they are also a lot cheaper to produce. I would doubt that anyone will want a petrol or diesel car in a few years time, I cant see reason why they would want to.

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We are considering a hybrid or a plug in Hyundai Santa Fe, going to have a look.
As ours is 4 years old, 30k miles and showroom shiny, not sure if we would sell. Its fully loaded and a great towcar.

As hybrids are petrol I expect towing could result in quite high fuel consumption,whereas our diesel is pretty economical. Its mainly used for towing or the odd trip where we need the bigger car.
Our Mini is used for other most trips being petrol (and lots of fun.)

An other option is to downsize our van in a few years and then have a smaller hybrid towcar.
If we didn't tow an electric car would suit us as we are retired. The new Hyundai Ioniq looks very good,,or one of the Kia models.

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The new electric Kia has a towing capacity of 1600kgs

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The towing range would be? The price tag? 40k+

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Quote: Originally posted by bobmel on 02/9/2021
The towing range would be? The price tag? 40k+



Who knows the car manufacturers never put their towing range on ?
300 solo it can charge from 10 to 80% in 18 mins at a fast charger and yes 40k

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Certainly take shares in rubber companies as they burn tyres like there is no tomorrow.

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Every one seems to be obsessed with the range of a BEV, not the efficiency ie miles per Kw hr, when buying a petrol or diesel engined car one of the first questions is what is miles/gall not how big the fuel tank is and what is the range

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Quote: Originally posted by amara 520 on 14/9/2021
Every one seems to be obsessed with the range of a BEV, not the efficiency ie miles per Kw hr, when buying a petrol or diesel engined car one of the first questions is what is miles/gall not how big the fuel tank is and what is the range



The reason for the apparent difference in priorities is the fact that it doesn't really matter about the size of the fuel tank when you can refill it in two minutes, then do the same mileage again. The range is therefore infinite. Also, a diesel or petrol tank remains of the same capacity for the life of the vehicle, it doesn't (in effect) get smaller as the vehicle ages. A 20 year old petrol or diesel car will go virtually the same miles to a tank as it did when it was built, whereas the same can't be said of a BEV without probably at least two battery replacements at considerable cost.

At current prices, my absolute maximum budget for a car wouldn't even buy a set of batteries for a BEV. Consequently for the foreseeable future I can see the market for BEVs will only be for the relatively wealthy.


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Tesla has tested Batteries that have done 100,000 miles and still had 80% capacity
The batteries are guaranteed by most manufacturers for 100,000 miles and it is expected that they will last between 10 and 20 years with the materials used today, this is improving in leaps and bounds and the cost dropping dramatically.
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