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Message posted by dimbles14/9/2021 at 8:54pm
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The reason for the apparent difference in priorities is the fact that it doesn't really matter about the size of the fuel tank when you can refill it in two minutes, then do the same mileage again. The range is therefore infinite. Also, a diesel or petrol tank remains of the same capacity for the life of the vehicle, it doesn't (in effect) get smaller as the vehicle ages. A 20 year old petrol or diesel car will go virtually the same miles to a tank as it did when it was built, whereas the same can't be said of a BEV without probably at least two battery replacements at considerable cost.

At current prices, my absolute maximum budget for a car wouldn't even buy a set of batteries for a BEV. Consequently for the foreseeable future I can see the market for BEVs will only be for the relatively wealthy.




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Mainly personal experience. The fuel consumption of my 20 year old Volvo was little different to when it was built. However, all batteries deteriorate as they age, so a 20 year old BEV with it's original batteries won't do the same mileage as it did when new. What that difference will be nobody knows, only time will tell.

I suspect that most BEVs will need replacement batteries in 10 to 15 years, but I'm no expert and developments in technology may well extend that. I could very easily run a BEV for most of my day to day running about but there is no way I will ever be able to afford one.


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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 14/9/2021
Mainly personal experience. The fuel consumption of my 20 year old Volvo was little different to when it was built. However, all batteries deteriorate as they age, so a 20 year old BEV with it's original batteries won't do the same mileage as it did when new. What that difference will be nobody knows, only time will tell.

I suspect that most BEVs will need replacement batteries in 10 to 15 years, but I'm no expert and developments in technology may well extend that. I could very easily run a BEV for most of my day to day running about but there is no way I will ever be able to afford one.




Colin if the production of electric cars would of started 10 earlier chances are you would of been driving an electric car before you hang your keys up.
Since the battery in a ev is equivalent to a car engine, i think batteries could be cheaper.

It wouldnít suprise me if you could buy cheap aftermarket batteries in the future, letís be honest the Chinese are brilliant at knocking out cheap copies

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 14/9/2021
Colin if the production of electric cars would of started 10 earlier chances are you would of been driving an electric car before you hang your keys up.
Since the battery in a ev is equivalent to a car engine, i think batteries could be cheaper.

It wouldnít suprise me if you could buy cheap aftermarket batteries in the future, letís be honest the Chinese are brilliant at knocking out cheap copies

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The batteries aren't really the equivalent of a car engine, the electric motors are. The batteries are the equivalent of the car's fuel tank, in that they just store the energy needed to drive the motors. You may well be right about the Chinese, but I think it will come far too late for me.


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The batteries aren't really the equivalent of a car engine, the electric motors are. The batteries are the equivalent of the car's fuel tank, in that they just store the energy needed to drive the motors. You may well be right about the Chinese, but I think it will come far too late for me.


Colin the electric motors are are designed to outlast the cars, The batteries are the weak link just like a car engine which wears out.
The pace of battery technology is moving so fast, its only a matter of time before we have cars that will run for 400/500 on a charge, I suspect the will be achievable in the next 5/8 years but that's only my opinion.

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So this is my real world experience.   Range and refuelling no really a problem my wife gets home from her 77mile commute and plugs in She only needs to plug in every third night. The charger is preprogrammed only to charge at cheap rate 5.5p / kWh. The car does 4 mile per kW so 1.37p per mile letís call it 2p per mile.    Her commute costs us £1.54.   Our previous diesel car did 50mpg so at 134 per litre that is 12.1p per mile call it 12p so the ev is 10p per mile cheaper so saves her £7.7 per day £38.50 per week.   

There will come a time in the not to distant future when no one would even consider a Diesel as an every day commuter car.    

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My real world experience is, I'm saving around £190 per month vs my diesel Mondeo. Mine is only a plug in Hybrid so needs plugging in at work and home the,cost of my car new is only 6% more the the diesel version.

since i only fill up every 4 months it seems very odd standing at a petrol pump now

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I would probably save quite a bit myself if I had a BEV but at what cost? It's fine if you have plenty of money to splash out on buying a new or nearly new one, but I don't and nor do millions of others who need cars. My budget basically is whatever I can get for my old car plus around £1,000, which won't even get me a set of BEV batteries.

Even though my diesel car costs me much more to run than a BEV, when you factor in the cost of actually buying one, especially at my time of life, it is by far the cheapest option. I probably spend around £100 a month on average on diesel, more in summer but much less in winter, and that wouldn't get me a BEV even if I could run it for free.

At the moment the price of used petrol and diesel cars is rising, I suspect because people who can't afford a BEV are hanging on to them so there are fewer on the market.


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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 16/9/2021
I would probably save quite a bit myself if I had a BEV but at what cost? It's fine if you have plenty of money to splash out on buying a new or nearly new one, but I don't and nor do millions of others who need cars. My budget basically is whatever I can get for my old car plus around £1,000, which won't even get me a set of BEV batteries.

Even though my diesel car costs me much more to run than a BEV, when you factor in the cost of actually buying one, especially at my time of life, it is by far the cheapest option. I probably spend around £100 a month on average on diesel, more in summer but much less in winter, and that wouldn't get me a BEV even if I could run it for free.

At the moment the price of used petrol and diesel cars is rising, I suspect because people who can't afford a BEV are hanging on to them so there are fewer on the market.




colin i know what you mean that's why i said on a earlier post if they had started producing these cars in mass 10/15 years ago, chances are everyone could afford one.

To replace the old volvo that you had is probably more expensive that some electric cars now.

Don't forget many people do pcp's on cars so not everyone that drives these shiny cars actually own them, if you do hire cars a £100/£200 saving per month on fuel goes a long way to paying for it.


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Quote " The fuel consumption of my 20 year old Volvo was little different to when it was built."

I was waiting for app 2 hours in our supermarket car park for my wife who had gone shopping. They were doing flu jabs in the adjacent community centre and there was a continuous stream of cars passing by me and I didn't see one 20 year old car,I saw 2 Teslas and a lot of hybrids of various makes.
It would appear that unless attitudes change a 20 year old car will be as rare as rocking horse excrement in the future.
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It's quite true that 20 year old cars aren't all that common but they are definitely still around. I have seen several recently, and I saw an "R" reg Volvo go past only the other day. That would be 25 years old. I tend to think that the number of older cars is likely to increase rather than decrease as people who cannot afford to go electric will hang onto their older cars longer. It's already happening. The car I have now is 13 years old and it took me ages to find. Plenty of them around, just not for sale.

Cars these days last much longer than they used to. I can remember when 80,000 miles was regarded as very high mileage, and many cars with 50,000 miles on the clock had already had a replacement engine. Anything over 10 years old back then was probably a rusting heap. Today things are very different. No sign of rust at all on my X Trail, the engine has 120,000 miles to its credit and still runs sweetly. The Volvo I sold two years ago is still in use and according to the DVLA website now has 213,000 miles on the clock. There is no reason why a car that is looked after shouldn't last 25 - 30 years these days.


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Colin lets hope the batteries are the same as the engines, Years ago engines didn't last too long like batteries, Now they last for 200/300k miles. All being well the new batteries in these cars will be the same

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The majority of cars that last 20 years old and more are usually the brand that were expensive initially, Volvo has always been considered a luxury car.

There was a drop in new car registrations of 27% in 2020 and diesel cars, new registrations. dropped by 57% compared to 2019 at that rate there won't be any older cars available for those who can't afford a BEV!
New diesel cars registered this year only represent 7.1% of all registrations down 69% over the last few years.

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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 16/9/2021

Colin lets hope the batteries are the same as the engines, Years ago engines didn't last too long like batteries, Now they last for 200/300k miles. All being well the new batteries in these cars will be the same

Bessie




I certainly hope they do. Technology always moves on. It's all come a bit too late for me, but one day my son or one of my grandchildren will probably have one. Three of them are already old enough to drive.


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The Chinese manufacturer Nio are focussing on battery swap stations to avoid the need for charging, you just drive in the battery is swapped for a fully charged one,this could well be the future.
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We are in York at the moment staying on Beechwood Grange CMC site. We took the excellent park and ride bus into the city.
Electric double dockers, UK built and have a range of 160 miles according to the info onboard.They charge them up overnight.Very smooth and quiet.
They are building a big electric car charge place at the park and ride, which is by the out of town shopping park.
A lot more work will be needed like this.

We test drove a Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid last week. It was a lovely car well equipped and very responsive. Tow limit 1500kg as against much more for our diesel one! It would have been fine for our Bailey van.
We decided to stick with ours as its low mileage and immaculate. Trade in offer was pretty high. The salesman said he could sell ours in a few days
Next car will probably have to be a hybrid.

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