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Message posted by Colin2116/9/2021 at 9:18pm
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 16/9/2021
The Chinese manufacturer Nio are focussing on battery swap stations to avoid the need for charging, you just drive in the battery is swapped for a fully charged one,this could well be the future.
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That has been tried with buses but I don't think it was terribly successful due to the number of spare battery packs required. Swaps were relatively easy though. I'm not sure how easy it would be with cars, as I think a battery swap takes hours rather than minutes as it did with buses.


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It takes less than 5 minutes to change them not much longer than filling up with petrol.
They only rent the batteries and can vary what capacity they want accordig to their travel needs at the time.
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Message posted by Colin2116/9/2021 at 11:43pm
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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 16/9/2021
It takes less than 5 minutes to change them not much longer than filling up with petrol.
They only rent the batteries and can vary what capacity they want accordig to their travel needs at the time.
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If it does only take 5 minutes to change a BEV's batteries that is definitely a good option, but I'd be surprised if that is the case. With the buses it did only take minutes, but then a bus is basically just a big box. It is easy to put a lift-up flap in the side and use a fork-lift to get the batteries out in a cradle. It can't be that easy in a complex shaped vehicle such as a car, surely?


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Nio build the cars so that it is possible to just slot in a replacement,they actually boast it can be done in 3 minutes!
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Electric cars everywhere here in Holland. They are here & they are the future. Itís almost embarrassing driving around here in my diesel. Most electrics are put on the road with leasing deals. That is the way it will go.

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The arguement about the phasing out of petrol and diesel vehicles and the introduction of electric.Reminds me of a few years ago when I worked as a central heating installer. Its hard to believe that at the time some people refused to have central heating in their homes. The reasons for not having it rolled off their tongue, they refused to believe or see the benefits of it.
By the same token some people today are refusing to accept the fact that electric cars are here now, not something in the distant future.
The doubters will soon be the converts a lot sooner than they think.

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It Makes me laugh when people compare the batteries to those in the milk floats

I remember as a kid getting a bike for Christmas complete with 2 new exide lights, Both with 2d batteries, Christmas day night i rode everywhere with my mates and the lights were bright, The day after they were like candles then they went out i never got anymore batteries after that as the were too expensive.
I now have 2 tiny LED lights on my bike that are uber bright that are charged via USB and god knows how many hours they last they seem to go on for ever

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The cost of running petrol & diesels will eventually drive them off the road. Running them just wonít make economic sense.
It will happen, like it or not.
But in all likelihood they will ban all but the cleanest long before then anyway so the options to keep these old models on the road just wonít exist.

The earth canít keep paying the price because folk want cheap (dirty) motoring. If you want to enjoy the freedom we have now then itís going to cost.

The government are losing a massive income stream from fossil fuels & that will have to be plugged somehow.

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Electric vehicles will have to pay some form of tax or they will bring in road pricing. I feelthat full electrics should pay something now, they are using the roads.
If you dare to buy a car with a list price over £40K the taxman stings you for higher road tax for 5 years even if its a low emission hybrid! This is daylight robbery. Bearing in mind you have already donated a large amount of VAT.
I cannot see why expensive BEVs such as Tesla are not treated the same way.

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Message posted by Colin2111/10/2021 at 1:25pm
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Quote: Originally posted by dimbles on 17/9/2021
The arguement about the phasing out of petrol and diesel vehicles and the introduction of electric.Reminds me of a few years ago when I worked as a central heating installer. Its hard to believe that at the time some people refused to have central heating in their homes. The reasons for not having it rolled off their tongue, they refused to believe or see the benefits of it.
By the same token some people today are refusing to accept the fact that electric cars are here now, not something in the distant future.
The doubters will soon be the converts a lot sooner than they think.



I fully realise the advantage of electric cars, and I'd have one like a shot if I could, but there is absolutely no way I could afford one. Even leasing deals are way beyond my reach.


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Message posted by Colin2111/10/2021 at 1:29pm
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Quote: Originally posted by takisawa on 11/10/2021
The cost of running petrol & diesels will eventually drive them off the road. Running them just wonít make economic sense.
It will happen, like it or not.
But in all likelihood they will ban all but the cleanest long before then anyway so the options to keep these old models on the road just wonít exist.

The earth canít keep paying the price because folk want cheap (dirty) motoring. If you want to enjoy the freedom we have now then itís going to cost.

The government are losing a massive income stream from fossil fuels & that will have to be plugged somehow.



The problem with that approach is that there are many people who need cars but simply cannot afford to buy electric. Many of these people are low-paid key workers who either need their cars to do their job, or at least to get to their place of employment. Walking, cycling, or public transport simply isn't a viable option. I could do without a car if I had to as I am retired, but I would have to give up all my volunteering tasks as I wouldn't be able to get to them. For these people there needs to be a supply of cheap, viable cars as there is at present. Simply pricing them off the road isn't a good way to go in my opinion.


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Colin you can buy a 2nd hand electric car from 3/4K Thatís probably about 10 years old. Just like all other cars they depreciate.
Fossil fuel cars will be on the road for a long time yet but the cost to run them will just keep rising putting even more pressure on the low wage group.

This isnít just happening here itís happening right across Europe, walking the dog round my estate tonight itís staggering to see just how many electric cars are right on my doorstep whether they are full or plug in electric cars.

The major bonus for me recently was I had fuel on tap whilst the country went into panic mode



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That is interesting Bessie. I do have concerns about the batteries though. How much would the range of the batteries have deteriorated in 10 years and would they need replacing very soon? From what I have heard batteries alone are likely to cost over £5k.

The other thing is getting one that is suitable for me. It needs to have a high seating position like my X Trail due to back problems, and it needs to be able to tow a 1 tonne caravan. The main reason I had to get rid of my Volvo was because I was starting to struggle getting out of it. Most of the time range wouldn't be a big problem as most of my journeys are less than 50 miles round trip. It would only be a factor when going on holiday and pulling my caravan. If I could afford it I would have an electric car for running about, and keep the X Trail for towing, but no way could I afford to keep two cars. I'm the only driver in the family anyway so we don't otherwise need two.

I was lucky regarding fuel. I had just filled up when the panic started and I don't do a high mileage these days so I had plenty until the worst was over. When I was down to less than half a tank I was able to fill up again easily. I passed two closed garages but the next one I came to had plenty and there was only one car ahead of me on the pumps.


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I think folks like you and me are not a major issue Colin because we do low annual mileage. I only do 8K or less. Its the high mileage company cars drivers who need to change now and luckily their companies should be able to afford the leasing costs and save on fuel costs to boot.

As long as a large portion of fossil fuel use is removed, the few low mileage fossil fuel users left probably won't make much difference.

Same goes for the low paid keyworkers etc as well as they probably don't do large mileages.

It's a shame the Sinclair C5 didn't catch on for us old'uns.

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The actual number of car registered in September and year to date. What is striking is the collapse in the sales of Diesel engined cars which are down 77%

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I'm not terribly surprised at the sale of new diesel cars being down and in all probability the sale of used diesel cars is down too, due to people hanging onto them. I had a heck of a job finding the car I've got, because although there are still plenty around, there were very few actually for sale, and those that were for sale were fetching crazy money compared to a few years ago. Older diesel cars were really holding their price, and I could probably sell mine for more than I paid for it two years ago.


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