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28/8/2013 at 2:37pm
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Re fire buckets or rather the water they contain, they have other uses than putting out your own small cooker fire. You can use it for wetting down your own tent side if the neighbour's BBQ is spitting sparks. You can stick your hand in the water if you burn yourself on cooker or lamp. You can use it to douse your fire pit or BBQ or pour water on the grass round either if it starts smouldering. You can grab the bucket and form a bucket chain if your neighbour's tent or tarp catches fire. Though with this last, I think I might be a bucket chain of one tbh!

I do carry a fire extinguisher and a fire blanket as well btw, they're more appropriate for cooker fires especially when grease or electricity is involved. But a fire bucket of water is a useful standby too, and given that it's almost free it beats me why so few folk have one. Though I admit the most use our fire bucket has seen is as an impromptu beer cooler or for my DD's beloved fishing game.


28/8/2013 at 4:12pm
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We do have a bucket, actually.... but I guess throwing damp cat litter over someone's burning tent ain't gonna improve matters, is it!!

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28/8/2013 at 4:23pm
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Quote: Originally posted by tentage on 28/8/2013

Because it has a proper flue. As long as the flue pipe isn't cracked, or the stove door left open, the CO risk should be pretty low because all the fumes are ducted out of your tent.
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No guarantee though, ironically shutting the door, is more likely for the fire to create CO and ordinarily this should find it's way out of the flue but under certain conditions it can build up in the flue or fire which isn't airtight and so could leak out. CO detector is the way to be safe


28/8/2013 at 6:43pm
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Wow! Thanks for all the replies and photos.

I think i'm going to go for a tarp and windbreaker. I think it's the most flexible option for the sort of camping we'll be doing (and with a vauxhall corsa) We've already got a cheapy Argos windbreaker, and will try and get the Quechua tarp, if I can get over to lakeside. decathlon don't have them in stock on their website, and can't get it anywhere else. The DD tarps look good as well.


28/8/2013 at 7:18pm
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I will personally vouch for the DD tarp, we have a 4 x3, they are very slightly rubberised, so stretch a bit when pitching which helps prevent noisy flapping.


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28/8/2013 at 8:45pm
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We have a windbreak with a canopy, which is fine unless it's really chucking it down - in which case we head for the nearest pub!

Jane


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29/8/2013 at 8:51am
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Quote: Originally posted by janespa on 28/8/2013
We have a windbreak with a canopy, which is fine unless it's really chucking it down - in which case we head for the nearest pub!

Jane




I carry a tarp for extending space, but no room to carry a separate windbreak, so Pub it is (it's my holiday after all)

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29/8/2013 at 10:21am
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29/8/2013 at 10:31am
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If you've got young children though sitting in a pub all evening is not really an option. Even for a meal in an pub area where you can take kids, it gets expensive if you do this several nights in a row. It's better just to go prepared to cook under some sort of shelter. A tarp doesn't take up much space after all.



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Quote: Originally posted by chappers2341 on 28/8/2013
No guarantee though, ironically shutting the door, is more likely for the fire to create CO and ordinarily this should find it's way out of the flue but under certain conditions it can build up in the flue or fire which isn't airtight and so could leak out. CO detector is the way to be safe



No guarantee the tent won't be struck by a meteorite either though.

You will note, I did not *guarantee* it was safe. What I did say is that it's safer than an open fire with no flue, such as a gas stove.

You will also note that I have CO detector, just in case.


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29/8/2013 at 2:27pm
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Interesting thread, I cook mainly in the front porch without incident, that's not to say it may never happen though and I am aware of it.

When you see the brands advertise these front/side porches they tend to promote you can cook in these areas.

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29/8/2013 at 2:55pm
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Quote: Originally posted by tentage on 29/8/2013

What I did say is that it's safer than an open fire with no flue, such as a gas stove.



Maybe safer than an open wood fire but, a butane gas stove is much less likely to produce carbon monoxide than a wood stove .

Also the chances of getting hit by a meteorite are so slim there has only ever been one confirmed incidence, however I am there have been several cases of people being poisoned by flued fires.

Probability doesn't err til  last to strike.



29/8/2013 at 3:18pm
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Quote: Originally posted by youlbury on 29/8/2013
Interesting thread, I cook mainly in the front porch without incident, that's not to say it may never happen though and I am aware of it.

When you see the brands advertise these front/side porches they tend to promote you can cook in these areas.



WEll, it's safer than cooking inside a synthetic tent as there's better ventilation normally and there's no SIG to get slippy. And a good escape route. But in the event that the porch catches fire its very close proximity to the tent will mean the porch and tent are pretty well one entity and the tent will catch fire just as fast.

And one way that cooking in a porch can actually be less safe than in a tent? You might not have thought of an exit route for anyone in the main tent while if you'd been cooking inside the tent you hopefully weren't doing it in front of the main route of escape. Make sure you've got an accessible side door, the old method of going under the side flaps to escape from a tent doesn't work with SIGs.





29/8/2013 at 3:46pm
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hi,

We cook under the side porch of our larg tent

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i479/mjdb1965/P8260156.jpg

but also have the option to cook under the shelter we have put together

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i479/mjdb1965/P8270166.jpg

 

not sure if you will get links or photos sorry .

Maddie.



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Gonna try again!768

768

yay i hope haha.

Maddie



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Quote: Originally posted by chappers2341 on 29/8/2013
Maybe safer than an open wood fire but, a butane gas stove is much less likely to produce carbon monoxide than a wood stove



That's where you're wrong. Any stove - gas, petrol, wood or coal - will produce carbon monoxide when operated in a confined space with a limited oxygen supply. Just because a gas stove is more clean burning when operated in the open air doesn't mean it's any safer in a tent or other small, enclosed space.

Unlike a woodburner with a flue, ALL of the fumes from the gas stove end up in your living space, so ANY CO produced will be breathed in by the occupants.

By comparison, the risk from a properly fitted stove is marginal and almost certainly the result of the stove being used improperly. Of course, it is possible to use it wrongly and poison yourself, but that's the case with any stove, regardless of fuel type.

The bottom line is, you're far safer with a stove with a proper flue. Not 100% safe (for the pedants out there) but safe enough.



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