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21/8/2020 at 11:41am
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was supposed to be going camping to St Davids in west wales on
Wednesday - delayed it due to the storms and the yellow wind warning, which met office extended until 6pm today.

Even when the weather warning is over, the forecast for tonight and all day tomorrow is winds of 22-28mph with gusts of up to 38mph.

desperate to go after a year of cancelled holidays and dealing with two very disappointed kids that have been watching the forecast with us every day, but don't want to be silly and risk damaging the tent and ruining next years holidays too!

We've camped in windy weather before - have a pretty sturdy Sunncamp trailer tent - but I can't remember what specific speeds. Can anyone help me translate these numbers into what it will actually feel like?


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If you buy your tents at supermarkets a stiff breeze and a little drizzle is too much.
If you like big tunnel tents without crossing poles strong gusting winds and heavy rain is too much.
If you have small low mountain quality tents and you pitch them into the wind in sheltered well drained spots you'll withstand storm force winds and torrential rain but it's unlikely you'll have much fun.
Your choice.

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21/8/2020 at 12:15pm
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Can't vouch for your tent or your own durability in what classifies as 'too much', but with a tent, it often depends on the angle of attack, some faces often act like a sail, others often shed the wind more effectively, perhaps worst case is an open porch or doorway directly into wind!

As to what various winds 'feel like', refer to good old Beaufort Scale:
https://www.rmets.org/resource/beaufort-scale


21/8/2020 at 1:12pm
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Ex-tenter (Outwell Montana 6p Steel Poles) here, now in Caravan. We were at Lleithyr Farm end July/start August. We had 2-3 days in total over the two weeks of 25mph/40mph gusts, heavy rain. Two Cabanon trailer tents stayed up fine, as did most of the tents on site. There was a lot of movement and I could see and I doubt anyone got much sleep.

I didn't see much damage.

One family went out for the day and their carbon-fibre pole dome/tunnel pretty much collapsed. They returned and moved to a more sheltered pitch I think without much hassle.

Tricky thing in West Pembs is the wind does tend to shift direction a couple of times a week.

All in all, I would say you'd likely be fine, though it will be a challenge to pitch. End of the day, it's your decision and you need to feel comfortable. Safe money would be to pitch Sunday if you have any doubt.


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38 mph is Beaufort F7, right at the top, almost F8

F7 ......near gale
F8 ......gale.
As winds increase, the pressure on a surface will increase by the SQUARE.

And what Bramston says.


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21/8/2020 at 2:31pm
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My Outwell Glendale 5 tunnel tent with steel poles claims to withstand Force 9, and I reckon that's probably not too far from the truth. 3 years back, really struggled to pitch it in quite strong winds, took half a dozen of us to get it up safely as it was quite an open exposed pitch. The wind got considerably worse overnight, real gale force stuff, tent certainly rattled around, but stayed up OK. Only casualty was the non-structural fibreglass pole that shapes bedroom end wall, one section split and needed replacement (with handily included spare section), but it was taking full force of the wind, even with split pole end wall didn't collapse in.

Last year in northern France our Hi-Gear Corado 6 steel poled tunnel tent got a battering from Storm Miguel, but thankfully the site hedges and trees took a lot of the sting out of the wind, but we seriously wondered if it would survive, it did flex around and flap a lot!


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We had an Outwell Montana with steel poles and it survived a storm where gusts hit 55mph in North Wales. No damage to the tent but we stayed on the site all day to keep an eye on things and re-peg guys if necessary.


22/8/2020 at 10:25am
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30mph winds would be my absolute maximum no matter what tent I had. Many tents could probably survive a storm but then many won't and I wouldn't want to test mine.

Being retired I am able to go camping when the weather forecast is fine but I have got it wrong a couple of times and it's not nice sitting in a tent watching it billowing and hoping it survives...or worse still, having to sit all night in the car because being inside the tent is too dodgy. Then, during the day not knowing if you go out and try to enjoy yourself, the tent might not be there when you get back and all your possessions will be scattered across the field.

If the wind strength is forecast to be less than 30mph but gusts over that, it really depends what campsite you are going to and how much shelter there is. I would always err on the side of caution.

Having said that, I once cancelled and lost a deposit because high winds were forecast and then they didn't happen


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Well, in answer to my own question, we pitched in the Saturday in what the met office app said was 28mph mean wind speed with gusts of 37mph. Had to get the pegs in pretty quick and used ground anchors for the guy ropes but not too much of an issue. Unfortunately, having rocked up later into our holiday to avoid storm Ellen, we are now stuck in storm Francis! Yellow weather warning changed to amber too late for us to get the tent down and get out of dodge as we weren’t going to risk trying to get a trailer tent down in high winds - figured it was less risky to wait it out. Happily, I sit here writing this post as the forecasts tell me we’ve survived the worst of it. Noisy and creaky, but the sunncamp has stood up for over 12 hours now in 40mph mean speeds and gusts of over 60mph!! Not conditions i’d choose for sure, but good to know she can manage it in extremis.

This might not be the right place to ask given the thread title, but we took on a lot of water over night - torrential rain with the winds for about 6 hours meant the canvas wetted out and where the canvas was being hit against the poles, there were some bad leaks. I spent from 3am to 7am moving oblivious sleeping children into the middle of the bed to avoid the leaks! Any way to mitigate against this happening again? One school of thought on internet says you shouldn’t need to reproof cotton tents and doing so will affect their breathability, but common sense tells me that it’s an old tent and reproofing is an obvious step even if we would hope never to encounter a storm like this whilst camping on a peninsula again! Any thoughts? Best brands/techniques?


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I am no expert on canvas but as I understand it canvas doesn't leak because bubbles, or a film of water, impregnates all the tiny pores in the fibre preventing water from leaking through...all to do with air pressure I believe.

Anyway, if you rub your hands against the inside of the canvas you break the film of water and that allows water to leak through. I would imagine if the tent was hitting the poles then the same thing was happening. I have no idea how you would prevent it if the weather is so windy that it blows the canvas onto the poles.


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25/8/2020 at 8:19pm
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Can't help with the reproofing issue, but I'm glad to hear you survived Francis without damage - quite an adventure! - and the children were oblivious to the leaking tent.

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Quote: Originally posted by littletaffy on 25/8/2020
Well, in answer to my own question, we pitched in the Saturday in what the met office app said was 28mph mean wind speed with gusts of 37mph. Had to get the pegs in pretty quick and used ground anchors for the guy ropes but not too much of an issue. Unfortunately, having rocked up later into our holiday to avoid storm Ellen, we are now stuck in storm Francis! Yellow weather warning changed to amber too late for us to get the tent down and get out of dodge as we weren’t going to risk trying to get a trailer tent down in high winds - figured it was less risky to wait it out. Happily, I sit here writing this post as the forecasts tell me we’ve survived the worst of it. Noisy and creaky, but the sunncamp has stood up for over 12 hours now in 40mph mean speeds and gusts of over 60mph!! Not conditions i’d choose for sure, but good to know she can manage it in extremis.

This might not be the right place to ask given the thread title, but we took on a lot of water over night - torrential rain with the winds for about 6 hours meant the canvas wetted out and where the canvas was being hit against the poles, there were some bad leaks. I spent from 3am to 7am moving oblivious sleeping children into the middle of the bed to avoid the leaks! Any way to mitigate against this happening again? One school of thought on internet says you shouldn’t need to reproof cotton tents and doing so will affect their breathability, but common sense tells me that it’s an old tent and reproofing is an obvious step even if we would hope never to encounter a storm like this whilst camping on a peninsula again! Any thoughts? Best brands/techniques?



well tomorrows forecast for you is looking rather nice, 16 degrees with 13/20 mph winds so everything should dry up well, you may find that after its really good soaking, and then tomorrows drying out that things will now shrink up a bit and you wont suffer any further leaks



28/8/2020 at 10:35am
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I live in Haverfordwest and it was pretty windy on Wednesday! I checked the Newgale campsite, only 1 brave tent there, rest were all vans.

camped a few times at Lleithyr farm and Towyn farm next door, normal winds never really been an issue from what I've seen.

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28/8/2020 at 12:31pm
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I would hope that what marg6 says is correct, but it's an inherent design weakness when internal poles lie against canvas; capillaric action will always try and wick moisture through.

I have fabsil'd older tents without any problems at all, but I would still prefer not to if possible


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We were camping on the Isle of Wight, by freshwater when Francis blew in. Had a new air tent and decided to deflate it, we then all bundled into a Vango force 10. Glad we did! It's by far the strongest wind I've ever experienced!.


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The Vango Force 10 is a rugged old tent built to take bad weather, good call.

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