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via mobile 11/8/2020 at 9:20pm
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Provide proper care instructions with new tents?

In support of the many new campers this year I have spent lots of time (working from home ) over the last couple of weeks on various camping Facebook groups discouraging people who feel a need to scrub their tents, inside and out, with everything from Persil Bio laundry wash to Swarfega by way of bleach and anti/bac and mould remover for sinks.

Plus everyone suddenly wants to Fabsil their tents (including the inside, of canvas tents...) when new, every year, when in a campsite, just in case..,

None of my tents have ever come with any care and maintenance instructions. I get more information on the label of a jumper from Marks than for any tent I have ever bought.

Shouldn’t manufacturers provide guidance?

(Some bell tent manufacturers provide advice on their websites, to be fair, buy it doesn’t seem to stop the Fabsil frenzy)


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11/8/2020 at 10:09pm
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because fabsil is expensive, it generates them money doing an unneccessary job! and once they have done it once they will be buying/doing it for years to come! and some even seem to think that using fabsil will bring back a dead tent!


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I think the lack of care and maintenance instructions is because they don't need any care and maintenance. The only tent I did anything with was an ex display model which clearly needed it's water repellent replacing. I used....Fabsil

I have just bought two tins of Fabsil to reproof mine and my wife's winter coats after she washed them.


via mobile 17/8/2020 at 7:19am
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Fair point, Bob.

But maybe the tent should come with instructions such as ‘wash with plain water only’.


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A good illustration of the efficacy of just water was our Holtkamper trailer tent.

The canvas was mainly creamish/white which was a target for every incontinent bird from Calais to the Mediterranean and back. Added to which fallen lichen from holm oaks and various other trees had left their mark.

At Tonerre on the Burgundy Canal a violent storm was forecast of such proportions that the gendarmes were going to each camper on the site to make sure they were prepared.

Heavens opened, hail like golf balls smashing car windscreens and denting roofs.

The canvas ended up virginal white, every stain, turd and smear banished for ever.

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Deboraturner I could not agree more. I'm also constantly surprised by so-called experienced campers who dont know the difference between a fridge and a powered coolbox. ......and also everyone seems to have a story that they went camping and everyone elses tent blew down except their airbeam.

I'm really hesitant to criticise as we should encourage all new campers regardless of their intelligence, but anyone who follows the advice "Wash with milton fluid" or buys a brand new tent (with a clearly printed HH on all the garb) and the first thing they do is Fabsil it, deserves all they get!!


Such is the mass addiction to the stuff I have this theory that Fabsil is 7 tenths crack cocaine and 3 tenths bacon.


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Quote: Originally posted by DeborahTurner on 17/8/2020
Fair point, Bob.

But maybe the tent should come with instructions such as ‘wash with plain water only’.



Yes, I suppose some sort of advice about maintenance might be handy...instruction number 1 'DO NOT WASH THE OUTSIDE OF THE TENT OR YOU WILL STRIP OFF THE SILICON WATER REPELLENT THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO USE FABSIL '



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via mobile 17/8/2020 at 10:44am
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I have never bought a tin of Fabsil.

(I did buy some Nikwax stuff after my son’s waterproof went in the wash with Persil c/o his father...)

Annual Facebook row about bubbles on campsites is met with a chorus of ‘what’s the big deal, just wash it when you get home and Fabsil it’. At what cost? ££, ruins the grass, and my time is precious, I can’t waste it putting up my tent to apply Fabsil and packing it away again just because of someone else’s child’s wish to blow bubbles right by my tent

Clear tent instructions should be
How to clean
How to double guy in a storm
How to pitch in wind (bum to wind)
How not to leave packed wet
Don’t spray aerosols in your tent every day, fly spray, hair spray, deodorant, Lynx, etc.

And:

Unless it is a bacon sandwich JUST SAY NO.


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Forgot to mention the idiots who post on FB "I have just bought this tent - is it any good?"   To which my urge is to reply "Nope its a croc of cow poo" regardless of whether it is or not.


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Quote: Originally posted by Mitchamitri on 17/8/2020
Forgot to mention the idiots who post on FB "I have just bought this tent - is it any good?"   To which my urge is to reply "Nope its a croc of cow poo" regardless of whether it is or not.





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17/8/2020 at 7:42pm
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If only folk understood the difference between a DWR and a waterproof coating, and the effect of UV light on the stability of polymers.

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Quote: Originally posted by Stever750 on 17/8/2020
If only folk understood the difference between a DWR and a waterproof coating, and the effect of UV light on the stability of polymers.



Couldn't agree more.
I've lost count of the number of times I've tried to strike up a conversation with camping neighbours on this very subject, and they always seem to just walk away, mumbling something about they can hear their phone ringing back at their tent, or that they had forgotten to check their guylines!

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Aye - that or a discussion on the merits of different fridges or satellite tv systems would have me running for the hills!


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Trying to explain why a bunk bed is not a good option in a tunnel tent on a slope......


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Quote: Originally posted by Stever750 on 17/8/2020
If only folk understood the difference between a DWR and a waterproof coating, and the effect of UV light on the stability of polymers.



Now you've got me...can you explain please?



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Quote: Originally posted by DeborahTurner on 17/8/2020
Don’t spray aerosols in your tent every day, fly spray, hair spray, deodorant, Lynx, etc.

And:

Unless it is a bacon sandwich JUST SAY NO.



I have always used fly spray sparingly inside the tent with no ill effects to me or the tent. I also use Lynx Dark Temptation but it hasn't tempted anyone.

Oh, and bacon sandwiches are fattening!




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