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Subject Topic: Sewn in groundsheets or not.......?
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18/8/2006 at 10:49am
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I have a Outwell with detachable ground sheet.

I did have puddles last year, but that was our fault by not attaching it properly.

I have to say I like the idea of a choice to have it down or not, being it hot and dry I would certainly enjoy grass floor more so to be honest... the bedrooms are fully sealed which is always the main issue I feel.





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18/8/2006 at 10:05pm
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We have a non SIG tent bought cheaply 3 years ago - just to see if we liked camping.  We always manage to camp in the rain but had never been washed out until this week.  Can anyone give a difinitive answer re mud flaps - are they supposed to tuck under either loose ground sheets or bedroom pods or stick out? also any tips about fitting ground sheets?


18/8/2006 at 10:13pm
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Hi HC4 and welcome.

Sadly there is no definitive answer! I emailed Vango last year to ask the question re the Vango Venture 500 and their answer was that there was no right way - the flaps could go in or out.

Some flaps have pegging points so must go out but otherwise you can choose. Lots of people like to have a groundsheet that goes up the wall of the tent a little and to tuck the flaps outside of it.   I find the flaps on the VV500 work best for me when outside and full of rainwater - they don't blow that way!


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19/8/2006 at 12:11am
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my first tent had  no sewn in  ground  sheet  and  it was  a  pain in the  wet  weather.  but  we bought  an  outwell  hartford  xxl  which is  a  very large  tent  with sewn in  ground  sheet  much  easier  but  we  do put  another  sheet  underneath  to save on the  bottom of the  tent  getting muddy if  it does  rain.



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20/8/2006 at 8:55pm
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Our first tent didn't have a sewn in groundsheet and with windy conditions was extremely draughty so we opted to buy a Vango Diablo 600 with sewn in groundsheet. Even the porch groundsheet which isn't sewn in attaches via toggles above ground level (except round the openings). Should be much cosier!

 



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23/8/2006 at 12:06pm
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A sewn in groundsheet keeps out slugs, worms and other nasty bugs! I used to sleep out sometimes under trees without a tent as I thought it would be quite nice. But a couple of time after rain or when the ground was damp I would wake up to find slugs on my sleeping bag which is most unpleasant. Unless you have got a camp bed then a sewn in ground sheet is a must. The only alternative is to put salt around your sleeping area to keep nasties like slugs away.


23/8/2006 at 12:55pm
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Does anyone find they trip up over the flap leading into tent on a SIG, I worry about doing this which is why I have no SIG

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23/8/2006 at 5:58pm
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I've read the whole thread (Phew!) and been very interested by the debate, even though it's a bit irrelevant for us as we have a trailer tent!

Nobody has mentioned one factor, which I find very surprising. Surely a separate groundsheet is much better for the ground?

Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I first went tenting (30 years ago!) with guides, we were told that the aim of any camper should be to leave no trace that you were there. We had to roll up not only the groundsheet, but also the side walls of our tents every morning  to allow the ground to breathe.

You can buy breathable groundsheets for your tent which allow the grass to survive even if you're camped in the one spot for a fortnight. I don't see how you could achieve the same with a SIG.



23/8/2006 at 6:22pm
 Location: Essex and Norfolk
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Quote: Originally posted by good intentions on 23/8/2006

...Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I first went tenting (30 years ago!) with guides, we were told that the aim of any camper should be to leave no trace that you were there. We had to roll up not only the groundsheet, but also the side walls of our tents every morning to allow the ground to breathe...




    You're absolutely right, It's good practice to 'air' your pitch, but you won't see many campers who actually do it these days. If you have a seperate groundsheet, it's just a case of removing a few pegs, then folding back the groundsheet before you go out for the day. It needn't be done every day, but two or three times in a week, will make a lot of difference. It only takes a few minutes to do, but it's a few minutes too much for most of us...


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31/8/2006 at 10:09pm
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What about fire hazards, would it not be better not to have a Sig or would a tent light up that fast that it would not matter which one you had. I have had both types, I like the Sig but feel safer without it who knows?

Tincan



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01/9/2006 at 7:15am
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Our tent has just survived the most terrific downpours I have ever seen in France.  No leaks or anything and it was so nice know we had a clean dry inner when we came in out of the wet! There were rivers running down the road.  SIG every time for us!


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03/9/2006 at 6:15pm
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HI DOTTYDOT

we`ve just returned from wales (cardigan bay) with our sunn valley 8 with SIG ,our friends joined us with there tent cant remember what make it was but it didnt have a SIG. weather wise it tended to be quite windy at times ok for us, unfortunatly for our friends it proved to be to uncomftable  for them with the wind blowing around there ankels . and even worse it made them cut short there holiday by 2 days because they were simply fed up feeling cold. im sure that having a tent without a SIG has some advantages but i personally wouldnt do without one.



03/9/2006 at 6:21pm
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SORRY I MENT MOLLY9 



04/9/2006 at 10:50am
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Good thread... been reading it with a lot of interest...

My problem is that most SIG tents have to be put up inner first, and as a shorty, this can prove very difficult trying to get all that material dragged over the top once the tent is erected.

My ideal tent would have SIG, Pitch outer first, have 3 bedrooms and a covered/seperate porch area for cooking in.

The Aspen 700 would be perfect if it was inner pitch first, but I think the Sun Valley 8 has all my requirements? Can anyone confirm or recommend something?

Thanks



04/9/2006 at 5:29pm
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Quote: Originally posted by adams.family on 04/9/2006

The Aspen 700 would be perfect if it was inner pitch first, but I think the Sun Valley 8 has all my requirements? Can anyone confirm or recommend something?

 

Adams Family - sounds like you have found your perfect tent in the SV8.  We have one and it is fantastic.  We have just had a wet and windy weekend in Scarborough and we stayed dry, warm and comfortable throughout.  Best thing with SV8 was that we could leave all the wet dirty stuff in the porch without contaminating the inner tent which stayed perfectly clean and dry. 

Only thing is I would still have reservations cooking inside the porch as it is a confined space, though we have cooked under the awning (front door held up with the poles).

You will not be disappointed with the SV8 and of course it pitches and strikes in one go.

Gaz...........



04/9/2006 at 7:39pm
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Just had first trip in our hartford xxl, SIG brill, wouldnt go back.



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