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Message posted by Mrs. Bonce05/6/2020 at 7:04am
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Never seen more than about 15 at the most.

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Message posted by Ray Clayton05/6/2020 at 9:04am
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Quite a few in Derbyshire have gone under local council control now, in the last few years.
They start off as a club site as its the easy way to set up.
And to be fair, most where good sites, but some have lost that small friendly site feeling now.
And as they invest and get bigger it's bye bye club and start to make more money.
Fact of life and all ways will be, that why some, people set these sites up in the first place.
Others as i said before do it as an hobby, for the love of it.

And Harry i always use as many CL, CS every year, apart from main holidays.





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Message posted by HarryB via mobile 05/6/2020 at 9:16am
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Ray,
My last paragraph wasn't aimed at you personally. It was meant as information to everybody.
Like you, we use cl's mainly. In fact with the possibility of 'staycations' and more people using cl's, like you, we are going to join the C&CC to make use of their CS system.

Message posted by David Klyne05/6/2020 at 8:58pm
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I imagine the COVID crisis has concentrated the minds of some owners as they are going to miss at least half the year. If they were thinking of giving up I suspect the current situation just acts as a reinforcement? There is also another element at play here. If you read various Facebook camping groups there is an increasing demand for full facility CL's. Unfortunately unless this is tied to another business it is very difficult to justify economically even when charging the higher rates. I think in the long run the only way to restore numbers of CL's is to change the rules and allow a doubling of numbers to make the investment worthwhile. I don't think either Club is pressing for this as there is a fear that trying to amend existing legislation might open a can of worms which no one benefits from.

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Message posted by HarryB05/6/2020 at 9:56pm
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Quote: Originally posted by David Klyne on 05/6/2020
I imagine the COVID crisis has concentrated the minds of some owners as they are going to miss at least half the year. If they were thinking of giving up I suspect the current situation just acts as a reinforcement? There is also another element at play here. If you read various Facebook camping groups there is an increasing demand for full facility CL's. Unfortunately unless this is tied to another business it is very difficult to justify economically even when charging the higher rates. I think in the long run the only way to restore numbers of CL's is to change the rules and allow a doubling of numbers to make the investment worthwhile. I don't think either Club is pressing for this as there is a fear that trying to amend existing legislation might open a can of worms which no one benefits from.

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David,

I've said that in several posts on CAMC Club Together for some years now and you have replied with a similar answer about opening up a can of worms. The thing is and I've said this before, the cl system has been on a slippery slope for years. It has halved in the time I've been a member and doesn't show any signs of slowing down. Lots of cl's have left the club because they are turning away custom, they see their potential, they have the space and facilities to take more so take the opportunity to go independent and increase their income and you can't blame them. The legislation has become outdated, it's 60 years old, since its introduction member numbers have risen considerably and the club acted by adding more. Now that enthusiasm seems to have waned. Like a lot of rules they can be updated to suit but unless the club asks then the slide will go on. I don't see how asking will open up a can of worms.

Message posted by Mrs. Bonce06/6/2020 at 7:01am
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We prefer the ones without facilities, keeps others away.

Message posted by iank0106/6/2020 at 8:28am
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Quote: Originally posted by David Klyne on 05/6/2020
I imagine the COVID crisis has concentrated the minds of some owners as they are going to miss at least half the year. If they were thinking of giving up I suspect the current situation just acts as a reinforcement? There is also another element at play here. If you read various Facebook camping groups there is an increasing demand for full facility CL's. Unfortunately unless this is tied to another business it is very difficult to justify economically even when charging the higher rates. I think in the long run the only way to restore numbers of CL's is to change the rules and allow a doubling of numbers to make the investment worthwhile. I don't think either Club is pressing for this as there is a fear that trying to amend existing legislation might open a can of worms which no one benefits from.

David



We know of one or two former CLs that became proper sites and increased the number of units allowing the site to make a profit. Some CLs can easily accommodate double the amount of units allowed while others can barely fit 5 units.
Winter is the worst time for a CL unless they have invested in hard standings as no one wants to get bogged down on a CL. In essence a CL could only have some sort of income over the summer and then probably only on weekends.
We would like to see more CLs with fully serviced pitches i.e. EHU, water and waste water hookups on a pitch as that is the way forward. We always use all our own facilities.

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Message posted by Mrs. Bonce06/6/2020 at 12:23pm
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Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 06/6/2020
Quote: Originally posted by David Klyne on 05/6/2020
I imagine the COVID crisis has concentrated the minds of some owners as they are going to miss at least half the year. If they were thinking of giving up I suspect the current situation just acts as a reinforcement? There is also another element at play here. If you read various Facebook camping groups there is an increasing demand for full facility CL's. Unfortunately unless this is tied to another business it is very difficult to justify economically even when charging the higher rates. I think in the long run the only way to restore numbers of CL's is to change the rules and allow a doubling of numbers to make the investment worthwhile. I don't think either Club is pressing for this as there is a fear that trying to amend existing legislation might open a can of worms which no one benefits from.

David



We know of one or two former CLs that became proper sites and increased the number of units allowing the site to make a profit. Some CLs can easily accommodate double the amount of units allowed while others can barely fit 5 units.
Winter is the worst time for a CL unless they have invested in hard standings as no one wants to get bogged down on a CL. In essence a CL could only have some sort of income over the summer and then probably only on weekends.
We would like to see more CLs with fully serviced pitches i.e. EHU, water and waste water hookups on a pitch as that is the way forward. We always use all our own facilities.


Yes, agree that fully serviced rather that loos/showers is the way to go. And hardstandings must reach the track, no having to drive over the grass to access them, as we found in winter at a mud splattered site in Devon (that goes for the bins too).

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We used a CL in the Borders once. Enormous hard standings, huge area, with wide expanse of grass between. Minimal toilet & shower facilities, but we were impressed with the roomy feel. After a year or two, it closed as a CL and now has chalets / lodges on those big hardstands, they were clearly planned all along.

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2020 - nowhere yet! / 2019 - 13 sites, 35 nights / 2018 - 20 sites, 33 nights
2017 - 10 sites, 22 nights / 2016 - 19 sites, 33 nights / 2015 - 15 sites, 27 nights.


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