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Message posted by Any event fire13/6/2013 at 1:05pm
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All take note.

We probably come across two or three of these exploding stoves for each festival we attend. It can happen to any make of this type of stove. There are two problems that can occur;

1.  Gas leaking from canister connection or regulator valve. Flares and produces alarming gas flame

2.  Gas cylinder overheats and explodes. This will fragment the gas canister and stove parts as well as producing a large gas flame.

To reduce the risks.

If you have any problems or doubts about your stove replace it.

Ensure that you fit the cylinder correctly and the right way up.  READ THE INSTRUCTIONS.( Check for leaks before you light it.)

MAINLY. .Do not use too large a pan on this style of stove, as it cooks the gas cylinder causing it to overheat and explode.

Happy and safe camping to you all.  Do take care with camping gas (LPG). It is very unforgiving.

Any Event fire and rescue provide fire cover and protection to Music festivals in the UK. If you see us come and say hello.

 

 

 



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Is there any benefit to the larger gas cylinder / hose / regulator variety v's the suitcase stoves, then? I'm nervous! We've had a Uno Sunngas stove for over 10 years. It's rusting a bit and we were thinking of replacing it (we have a newer one in a case, too). I'm cautious about transportation of those larger gas cylinders.

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This happened to someone we went camping with, suitcase stove exploded, threw wet towels on it and moved it to an open space to cool down, very scary

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I've also seen a suitcase stove explode, was very scary. I much prefer a proper gas cannister and regulator. It seems to make more sense to keep your gas source and heat source separate and some of those cans seem to be quite cheaply made.

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I had the same experience as the OP with a brand new campingaz suitcase stove being used for the first time, so not a cheapie.

Wouldnt' use this type again, I only used it as given as a present. Gas bottle and naked flame to close for my liking..

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I'm still puzzled why it should burst into flames, without any form of ignition
I've seen many Camping Gaz canisters spontaneously lose all of their gas, due to faulty seals, but, without anything to light it, the gas just formed a large vapour cloud.

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Presumably as the locking mechanism created a spark.

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We bought one of these stoves when they first came out about 10 years ago and it cost us around £25 it has been used every year since with out incident.

But I have to agree that the cheaper ones (I have seen them for as little as £8 now) do not seem to be as well made as for the gas bottles these two seem to have come down in price over the years and I have seen some very dubious makes in the high street discount stores.

The key thing with these is to buy quality and when fitting the bottles you have to make certain that they are lined up properly or you may force the top of the bottle into the metal part of the stove puncturing it.

As for fighting a gas fire DON'T where a compressed flammable cylinder has ruptured and ignited it has what is termed "failed to safe" this is that it should burn off the gas in the cylinder with out further danger, If you put out the flames you then have an uncontrolled gas escape that could reignite at the slightest spark and cause a sizable explosion over a wide area.

Basics GET EVERYONE AS FAR AWAY AS POSSABLE AND LET IT BURN OFF! at worst once positive pressure has been lost the cylinder may go off with a big bang. Remember property can be replaced horrific burns are for life or worse. (I am a health and safety manager for an international construction company and we train this to all staff).


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I posted this one year ago.
I have owned a single burner cooker which is sold in a plastic suitcase for 5 years but only used it once or twice. I initially purchased it as I thought it would be more stable than the traditional style burner, however because it is not as compact we use the latter when travelling, for brew ups, etc.
My interest in the safety of the suitcase style cooker was provoked in July 2011 when I read a local paper about an accident injuring 7 people with a similar style barbeque. http://www.luton-dunstable.co.uk/News/Canister-gas-leak-was-cause-of-BBQ-explosion-29072011.htm
On searching the web I found many links to accidents involving these cookers.
http://www.radcotcruiserclub.org.uk/downloads/gas_stoves_safety.pdf

http://www.chemaxx.com/butane_explosion.htm

http://www.chemaxx.com/cooktop2.htm

http://bionicbong.com/japan/the-danger-of-portable-gas-stoves/

http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/news/110902.aspx

http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/8-people-killed-by-table-top-stove-explosions-in-5-years

http://www.fire.org.nz/Media/News/2010/Pages/portablebutanedangers.aspx

http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/54235/Exploding_Portable_Stoves.aspx

http://www.hawkesbaytoday.co.nz/local/news/fire-service-warns-of-portable-gas-stove-explosion/3948951/

http://www.smithllewelyn.com/news.htm?id=5
04 Oct 2011 Damages for client injured by exploding camping stove
In a recent County Court trial, Janine Jones of Smith Llewelyn Partnership succeeded in recovering £6,000.00 on behalf of a client who was injured as a result of an exploding camping stove.
Mrs T, from Monmouthshire, had been enjoying a camping trip with family and friends when the incident occurred. Her husband had been using a Bright Spark portable gas cooker to boil the kettle when the gas cartridge contained within the unit overheated and was blown out of its housing, buckling the stove. The gas cartridge was propelled through the air hitting Mrs T’s leg with force and causing her injuries.
The claim was brought against the manufacturers and suppliers of the stove under the relevant legislation which provides consumers with remedies relating to defective products, and which provides that products should be of satisfactory quality and reasonably fit for the purpose for which they were purchased.
Whilst the claim was vigorously defended on the basis that the manufacturers/suppliers alleged that Mrs T’s husband misused the stove and the issue had to be resolved at trial, Mrs T was guided by Janine and expert evidence was obtained as to the most likely cause of the explosion.
In finding in favour of Mrs T, the Trial Judge accepted that her husband had not misused the stove and that the explosion was caused by the failure of the safety device, a defect within the stove.
A research document, in 2003 suggests that they come from only a few (perhaps 3) manufacturers in either Korea or Japan and are then ‘badge’d’ for various suppliers. http://www.cpsc.gov/library/foia/foia04/os/cooking.pdf
In contrast I have found only 2 links to accidents involving upright compact cylinders. One by the French Commission de la Security des Consommateurs points the blame at users disconnecting pierce-able cartridges when partly full! http://www.securiteconso.org/article519.html
Apart from following instructions, it recommends that the use of twist and click style burners and cylinders be encouraged to get over this problem.
Although statistically the risks may be low, I would rather not play Russian roulette with my family by using a suitcase style burner.
Regards Bob.

Message posted by Suzianna14/6/2013 at 7:43am
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Gosh, thank you for posting this. I had not seen the previous threads. I was planning on using this kind of stove (had one for years without any problems) for going camping to save space. I still have a normal two burner with grill and a gas bottle. I know which one I am taking now. I have used a big bloody pan on my suitcase stove too and never thought anything of it. Thankfully, always used it outside but that wouldn't prevent burns would it? Very scary. So sorry to hear this but glad to have seen this. I never even thought about the gas bottle being so close to the flame and guess I must have been lucky with the gas cartridges as I just popped them in. Never thought of a leaky one or anything. I thought these stoves would have been tested and tested but I guess all these imported products aren't subject to the rigorous tests things need over here. Seems wrong somehow that stoves that have the capability to do this either because of a faulty gas bottle or a large pan are still on sale.

I hope everyone that has had the horrendous experience of this kind of accident hasn't been injured and are all okay now.



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I'm finding this reading very interesting, we have used one for years in addition to the cadac, our suitcase stove hasn't given us any problems at all.

However, I work for a haulage company and our drivers have now been banned from using these type of stoves in their cabs, we had an incident last year where one blew up, it blew out the front windscreen of the cab and destroyed it in about 5 minutes, the driver escaped with a few burns so was extremely lucky. He was boiling a kettle for a cuppa.

I have been reconsidering using ours since it happened, and reading this thread makes me want to go and dispose of it right now.

 



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Hi everyone!

I'm so pleased that my original post has come back to your attention as it really was a frightening experience and if this thread helps to prevent just one accident from happening then it was worth my while writing about it.

I'm quite dismayed, but not altogether surprised, to hear that there have been lots of similar occurrences with this type of stove. My biggest concern is the position of the lever that secures the can in place. The reason why I couldn't do anything to stop the fire was because the lever is positioned directly in line with the top of the canister when it is inserted and so obviously, if it is to ignite incorrectly the flames shoot out of the top of the gas can straight at the release lever which means you can't get your hand near it to eject the can.

I think my advice when choosing a new gas stove that runs on gas cans would be to look at the secure/release lever for the can. If the lever is well away from the can (the top in particular) it should be ok because if anything goes wrong when it is inserted and the flames come out of the can rather than the hob as happened to me, you can easily get to it to release it which may stop the gas from coming out and put out the flames.

We now have a Suncamp double hob that runs on the same cans but the design is different and the secure/release lever is away from the can. Thankfully, this one hasn't caused us any problems but I feel a lot more confident in using it knowing that I could act on releasing the can should something go wrong.

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Thanks Caroline

I am so grateful you posted this.

I hope you can start cooking again without having any worries now.



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Hi Suzanna,

I must admit that we have been swayed more towards EHU than we ever were before so that we can use electric cooking facilities instead. The gas only comes out when there's no alternative now. We have an electric griddle and a slow cooker that are a whole lot safer and it's lovely to come back from a day of exploring to the smell of a casserole all ready and good to go!

Caroline

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All gas cylinders are only filled to 80% of their capacity. With a conventional cylinder the gas exit valve is at the top so it is unlikely that liquefied gas will be drawn into the system. Suitcase style stoves are more complicated than conventional cylinder stoves.   Because the cartridge is on its side it has a small tube that runs inside to receive gas from the top of the top of the cartridge. For this to happen it is critical that the cartridge is the right way up, which is why there is an indent for the locking leaver to locate into. To try and ensure that liquefied gas doesn’t get to the burner of a suitcase stove there is a safety valve in the stove. It is thought that this can fail. As has been pointed out already these stoves can explode if the cylinder overheats, either by failing to have the hob the correct way up or by using too large a pan. It is also possible that the odd rogue cylinder is manufactured and sold with an incorrectly positioned gas receiving tube.

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Three people were injured recently when their gas stove exploded. The size of the cartridge indicates that it may have been a similar stove to above.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-22623895


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