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Message posted by snowy74710/8/2009 at 5:48pm
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Bargain!  I did wonder what you had that was so monstrously heavy lol!  Now off to France with you, report back when you find sun.

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The way I look at it is

Let them past

80  90 100mph go on get past !

I'd much rather be held up while I drive past their wreckage scattered all over the road

Better than having the same Ar5e*ole ramming me from behind !


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Message posted by Bill Terry10/8/2009 at 6:57pm
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Its not just speed that these clowns go at, Its the mismatch of outfits,17 only this morning early hours i was returning back up the A30 M5 M6. god the a mount of caravans that was being towed, Cars that were by far to small to pull what they were towing, Head lights up in the air, snakeing all over the place, surly the police know the laws of towing? But are they botherd? nope. I rang the law when a pill*ck passed me at 75mph towing a van and useing  the third lane as well. I followed him from the start of the M6 up to the M62. did he get pulled. you guessed it.17

and i wasnt towing by the way.17



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Message posted by 664DaveS10/8/2009 at 7:18pm
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I think you will find the speed limit for caravans is now 110kph on autoroutes if the combination weighs over 3.5tonnes which is 68mph. Your unit almost certainly is over this limit.

"We have a lot of experience. " - but not quite enough perhaps!



I beleive we are just under the 3.5 tonnes, yes we saw that article in the CC magazine.
Kia Mass 2065,Bailey Burgundy max 1400Kgs, it is not fully loaded so we are just inside the 3.5tonne!


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Message posted by 664DaveS10/8/2009 at 7:27pm
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Just checked ours, Kia truck 2065 Kg, Bailey Burgundy max is 1400Kg. Our van is not loaded that heavily so we are just inside the limit.
Best we dont buy a twin axle like 'er indoors wants!
r I'll have to have a Disco or Landcruiser!

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For someone who has never, ever had a caravan and so looking at a different angle to those who have. What I would like to say in my view caravans seem to get larger and larger all the time which obviuosly need a more heavy car to tow them.It amazes me how large they get to be. That leaves it so some people and tend to ignore the fact and try and keep the size of the tow car to minium level, so it doesn't cost so much to run as an every day transport. 

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Message posted by Cariad12/8/2009 at 10:15am
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Quote: Originally posted by ian-albion on 10/8/2009

We've only been caravanning just over a year now and although we have seen the odd van being towed by an unsuitable car and some driving too fast the main chunk of bad driving we see and experience is people without vans pulling out on us, cutting us up and overtaking when it's clearly not safe to do so.

You can pretty much guarantee on our short 20 min drive we do most weekends at least 2 cars will see us coming at a junction or island and race to pull out on us, we're in a 30 area and easily accelerate to the speed limit so dont hold anyone up, we frequently have to slam the brakes on to avoid ploughing into the side of someone.

Last week proved it to us, we were towing at 50mph with the van on (in a 60 zone), it was single carriageway but a straight main road,  8 cars overtook us when there was a constant stream of oncoming taffic that they squeezed in between, the following day we drove the same road but without the van on and deliberately drove at 50mph to see how many came past and not a single one did!


Have to agree with you 100%. The amount of times we have had to slam our breaks on because some car or van has just pulled out on us or cut us up just because they see a caravan and have to get in front of it. One car overtook us and cut us up then preceded to drive slowly in front of us. So why did he need to overtake us. Idiots!!

I would say that most accidents with caravans are caused by other car or van drivers being the usual idiotic driver but alas it is the caravan driver that will get the blame and bad name.



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Message posted by Carolbay12/8/2009 at 10:26am
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I am not too keen when driving behing a large lorry/bus as the view ahead is restricted and I suppose it feels the same to some being behind a caravan and they will try to pass at any cost.

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Message posted by Vic Wildish12/8/2009 at 11:03am
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I haven't read the entire content of this thread - it would take me too long - so if I'm duplicating something that's already been said please accept my apology in advance.

Commenting on the the original posting it would be interesting to know how many of the people described are new to caravanning. If we are to believe what we are being told, caravan sales both new and secondhand are through the roof this year and currently there is not a pitch to be had anywhere in the South.

Many people not versed in the ways of caravanning tend to underestimate the complexities of it particularly when it comes outfit matching and it's these very people that are being let loose on our roads at a very busy time.

It's frequently reported here that some less scrupulous salesmen have scant regard for this aspect, being only too keen to secure a caravan sale at all costs.

Tyre pressures both on the car and caravan are a significant factor in stability along with correct loading. I must confess to being alarmed at the number of bikes I see being carried on roof racks. All this weight on the roof of a car MUST alter the centre of gravity of it thereby affecting its stability.

The speed issue is something I'm not so concerned about. I tow the same outfit both here in the UK and in France where the speed limit for outfits is 70 mph. Loaded correctly with all tyres at the correct pressures this extra 10 mph, for me, is not significant. I recently towed several hundred miles down to the Royan area and back often travelling at 70mph with no adverse effect whatsoever. However that said, I am an experienced caravanner who takes nothing for granted and I in no way condone the kind of irresponsible behaviour described by the original poster.

What I find more disconcerting than anything else, is the burning desire of non-towing drivers to get in front of me at all costs whether by coming out in front of me from a side turning or overtaking in a highly dangerous manner. I experienced none of this in France, but upon my return to the UK during the relatively short drive up from Portsmouth I had all this happen to me. Mainly done by young women driving either Chelsea tractors or MPVs both of which they could hardly see over the steering wheel in.

WELCOME BACK TO THE UK!!!!!LOL

Vic


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"I must confess to being alarmed at the number of bikes I see being carried on roof racks."

The ones mounted on the rear of the car scare me more.

AL

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Message posted by Vic Wildish12/8/2009 at 11:39am
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Quote: Originally posted by Draig on 12/8/2009
"I must confess to being alarmed at the number of bikes I see being carried on roof racks."

The ones mounted on the rear of the car scare me more.

AL


Yeah - that as well.......

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My husband is traffic officer and unfortunately, far too frequently comes home to tell us about "another flat pack caravan" he had to deal with that day.  He means when, due to poor driving, the caravan jack-knifed and the caravan has been left in bits all over the carriageway causing delays and more negativity about caravanners.  Still, there are always going to be ignorant idiots driving without any consideration no matter what they are driving.

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Quote: Originally posted by Draig on 12/8/2009
"I must confess to being alarmed at the number of bikes I see being carried on roof racks."

The ones mounted on the rear of the car scare me more.

AL

Whats wrong with carrying the bikes on an approved roof mounted bike rack ?

perfectly legal providing your car is not over its maximum loaded weight


Message posted by Dave+Caroline12/8/2009 at 1:33pm
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Hi folks,

Just been reading through the posts and I must say I agree totally with the general opinion about driving standards.

We got our first caravan a year ago now and I had to pick it up from Leicester and bring it back to Bristol.

I have been driving coaches buses and Artics since 1988 and have to say that first drive with a caravan on the back was probably the scariest drive in all that time.

I am now even more aware of the caravans flying past my coach(doing 62mph) on the motorways and as noted often in the outside lane.

I am also more aware of the effect my coaches "bow wave" has on a caravan now and do my best when passing a rig to ease off a little and keep as far right as safely possible to minimise this.

Safe driving to you all

 


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Quote: Originally posted by neil and lena on 12/8/2009
Quote: Originally posted by Draig on 12/8/2009"I must confess to being alarmed at the number of bikes I see being carried on roof racks."

The ones mounted on the rear of the car scare me more.

AL

Whats wrong with carrying the bikes on an approved roof mounted bike rack ?

perfectly legal providing your car is not over its maximum loaded weight



I'm not arguing - the bold print is a quote from another poster. I would prefer to see bikes on the car roof than on the towbar.


AL

Message posted by timtheenchanter12/8/2009 at 2:38pm
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TBH, I usually stick around 56mph on the motorway, I cant be bothered pulling in/out round hgvs etc.

the thing that really bugs me, is the car driver who sits in the blind spot right up behind the caravan, then tries to overtake you, only to realise thye van/bus/wagon in front, and then cuts you up I try to keep enogh space for the numties to come into

Im also a biker, so have a good defensive driving style


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