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Message posted by hellraiser28/9/2009 at 7:15pm
Outfit:  conway countryman folding camper     Location:  dorser
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hi,

i am just about to purchas a conway countryman folding camper(trailer tent)

i will be towing it with my trike.what are the laws? i think if the trailer is unbraked,then you are allowed aprox 75% of the towing vehicles wieght,but what if its a braked trailer???????

my trike will pull it as its a 1800cc,and the trailer is braked! even the dvla are unsure!

any help would be good.thanks



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Message posted by Claydoncamper28/9/2009 at 7:45pm
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If its braked you can have 100% of vehicle kerb weight but 85% is what is recommended.  Unbraked trailers are much lower ratios to kerb weight.  So, you need to weigh your trike and then look at the weight of the trailer (this may be stamped on the a-frame).  If you are under 85% you should be ok. I guess you'll need to watch the nose weight with a trike otherwise you may be wheeling all the way down the road.  A few weeks ago I saw someone towing a conway trailer tent with a Yam 1100 trike so it can be done, though he had broken down at Rownhams services on the M27!

Message posted by Valk_scot28/9/2009 at 8:43pm
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I have no idea about the legalities but can you post a picture once you do start towing it??

Also, do you have to get really wide towing mirrors?


Message posted by glen_p28/9/2009 at 8:55pm
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Unbraked trailers are max 50% of the unladen weight of the towing vehicle (in this case it's the actual weight of the trailer not the plated max weight).

As far as I can recall if you passed your test after 1997 you're limited to the trailer's plated maximum weight being no more than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle. In any case you wouldn't want to tow anything any heavier, and really want to keep to the recommended 85% limit.

Note in both of the above that's assuming the maufacturer's towing limits aren't lower.

I guess part of the problem is you're trike won't have any manufacturer's towing limits to work to. If it hasn't got the unladen weight marked on it you'll need to do so.

Dependant on age the Countryman weighs around 750kg fully laden, so I guess as a guide if the trike weighs over 880kg you'll be OK.

All that said I came across this...

http://www.camperlands.co.uk/trailer_tents/campmaster/mbike_tow_law.html

which suggests I'm totally wrong, but I think this applies to the smaller trikes (under 410kg) which are 3 wheel motorbikes, not cars.

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Message posted by Claydoncamper28/9/2009 at 9:01pm
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Mmm, that's interesting.  I'd say the Countryman is a no goer, that;s how I interpret the Camperlands thing anyway.

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Message posted by Steve McV29/9/2009 at 2:03pm
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This is a really grey area.  The construction & use regs for cars don't apply, & neither do those for bikes.  A friend of mine in the motorcycle club I am in tows a Combi-Camp with a BMW motorbike & sidecar.  He has been stopped numerous times by the Police as for a motorcycle the limit is a trailer no more than one metre wide, this does not apply to trikes.  Some will tell you it does.  I am not in a position to argue with the Camperlands article, but my friend said that they are in the same classification as sidecar outfits.  I do stand to be corrected if the relevant info comes from the VoSA.  The Police referred to the VoSA & Dept of Transport & it transpired that no legislation exists at all for a three wheel vehicle towing any trailer.  However, your mirrors must be able to see past the thing & the rules mentioned for braked & un-braked trailers should be used to ensure you can stop the thing.

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Message posted by hellraiser30/9/2009 at 4:14pm
Outfit:  conway countryman folding camper     Location:  dorser
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thanks for the replys everyone.

i was under the impression that there were no real laws for trikes apart from they must be able to stop ok with the trailer.mine is a braked tent so i should be ok.

even the DVLA said it was a grey area and could not tell me ehether i could tow it or not.



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Message posted by hellraiser30/9/2009 at 4:15pm
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bought a pennine fiesta instaed,was better condition and cheaper!!

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Message posted by Smart camper05/10/2009 at 9:26pm
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I have towed a trailer tent with my trike for 6 years,first a microgem then a raclet solena. The only advice i would give is get a braked trailer. Had a very nasty experience being pushed by the trailer,luckily escaped with minor damage to trike. Now have brakes!   Sandy

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Message posted by yrruf12/10/2009 at 3:23pm
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hi iam afiad this link at camperlands is correct.i had thoughts of building a trike and towing my camplet with it in the summer.but its seems what ever the weight of the trike, the max weight of trailer is254kg.if any one finds different info would like to know.guess the only be way to be sure is to contact gov dept dont know which one.

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Message posted by G7ACU12/10/2009 at 8:50pm
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I can partly understand DVLA being un-sure, they are a licencing agency basically.
Suggest for clarification you contact VOSA via their website here as they're the proper enforcement agency.

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