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Subject Topic: Regs - when is a tent an awning?! Post Reply Post New Topic
Message posted by prosserand lodge10/6/2011 at 3:55pm
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We have a Symbol. Until recently used this with a Movelite XL awning, attached via guy ropes thrown over van. The Movelite was damaged in unexpected winds on our last trip. Now looking to replace, but very few options due to lack of guttering /  anywhere to attach J rails etc on the van. If we go for an awning again we can only really go for another throw over one, which we are not keen to do. Does anyone know the regs / any restrictions on siting a tent alongside the van instead, and using it as an awning for eating / storage etc? We are in The Camping and Caravanning Club  and use their sites / CS sites for most of our trips. Any advice  / info appreciated!


Message posted by Dyson+Co12/6/2011 at 9:22pm
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We're in the C&CC too, a few MH'ers use the 'dome type' tents or small gazebos as 'day shelters' - the general concensus seems to be that providing no one sleeps in it - then it's fine as an awning - though I suppose there will still be other site wardens who may have a problem with this, it might just be down to how 'broad minded' the wardens are (or how much room is available on site! 



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Message posted by Whatamess13/6/2011 at 7:01am
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We used to have one of the storage tents that looks like a large toilet tent. We'd put it right up close to the van and never had a problem.

I've got a driveaway awning now but don't always attach it to the van. So have several other people I know and nobody's had a problem to my knowledge.

I would think you'd be OK on C&CC sites anyway, the pitches are normally pretty big.

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Message posted by victoria113/6/2011 at 12:37pm
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Would you consider a Quechua Base Seconds tent as an awning. You get them from Decathlon or ebay and they are pop up tents, but don't let that put you off. They are very sturdy with heavier than standard fabric and they have a rain cover over two of the doors which would make it suitable for 'docking' onto the side of campervan.

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Message posted by The Dutchess13/6/2011 at 4:41pm
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I would go along with Victoria's suggestion. Just got back from a Camping and Caravan Club site at Normans Bay.  A very windy site but our new Quecha base stood up impressively in the strong winds. Put up including pegs and guy ropes in 5 minutes takes down and goes away in its own carry case in same amount of time!  I bought this on a recommnedation from someone on this site and can't thank them enough.  As far as we are concerned this is a drive away awning that we do not attach!  If there is ever a problem I will find some way of attaching this wonderful piece of kit to the van but to be honest I don't anticipate it being a problem. 

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Message posted by prosserand lodge13/6/2011 at 7:30pm
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Thanks for these suggestions!

We had spotted the Quecha Base range on-line, but been concerned they might not be accepted on sites. It is good to know others have used them without challenge from any site managers.

Which model(s) have you purchased? The one we have seen (similar to the one posted) appears to have two 'doors' but then two overhangs that remain open unless connected to (zip in?) sleeping tents. Does it also have zip-in doors in these two sides and / or  is there a Quecha Base model that has closable doors all round?

As suggested, maybe having a couple of guys attached to one of the rain cover / porch canopies, so these can be thrown over to 'show willing' would be a thought?!

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Message posted by bigtoe13/6/2011 at 11:53pm
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Ditto what Victoria and Carol said. The Quechua is a great alternative and uber convenient....I agree if there was ever a site which insisted on it being attached to the van, we'd find a way. Having said that if a site was that anally retentive I probably wouldn't camp there. You can always inquire in advance.

The Quechua base seconds is the one pictured above, we have the slightly later model, but im not sure theres any difference other than colour. It has two zip-in doors at 90 degrees/next to each other, and yep you can get a sleeping inner if needed. Theres also a Quechua Base Seconds XL. Im just so pleased we didnt go for an awning. Its the best designed and most useful bit of camping kit we've ever owned.

Message posted by victoria114/6/2011 at 12:53am
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This base seconds is discontinued but there are some available online. You might have to order from a different store to your local one but there's some jiggery pokery you can do about putting in the local postcode and then your own address. Mm you'd be as well to check with the folks in 'camping under canvas' to check that one.

As Bigtoe says this is a four sided tent with two doors at 90degrees to each other. The other two walls have a mesh half moon window in each with a zip up cover. I have the inner which you buy separately for 29.99 which turns this tent into a sleeping tent. Personally I use mine for a kitchen tent.

The base seconds XL is not discontinued but is quite expensive at 199. Each panel is the same size as the base seconds that I have, only there are six instead of four. This makes quite a big communal area fantastic for get togethers. Probably too big for your needs though.

Here's a thread with a pic of my Base seconds - I have it pitched along side the Quechua 4 man (the small one). The Base seconds is technically a four man too, but the difference is it's stand up height inside.

http://www.ukcampsite.co.uk/chatter/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=32&TopicID=249170&PagePosition=8

 


Message posted by madhouse116/6/2011 at 3:16pm
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I use a Quechua base seconds as an awning next to my car (MPV) Was wondering about attaching it somehow to the roof bars? Or using the tarp to bridge the gap. Any thoughts on how to attach either would be greatly appreciated!!

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I would go with the tarp idea. If you want to attach it to the base seconds just use bull clips or even clothes pegs.

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Message posted by madhouse116/6/2011 at 6:32pm
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Thanks thats a good idea! What about attaching the tarp to roof bars? Or do you think cling-ons and guy ropes over the car? Suppose its trial and error - half the fun really!!

Message posted by Vickit17/6/2011 at 10:36am
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We also have the base seconds but I did have a problem with trying to use it as an awning on a Forest Holidays site. They insisted it was either a tent or a gazebo and we had to pay for it as such, I think it was 5 a night as a gazebo, I was abolutely spitting as there were huge caravans with massive awnings and 4x4s paying less than us with a tiny VW campervan and pop-up.

We also weren't allowed to use it on a caravan & motorhomes only site as they weren't licenced for stand alone tents, even pup tents weren't allowed there.

Otherwise no probs, but then again we don't bother to take it any more, just use the sun shade then it's easier to pack up & move on.


Message posted by idetika17/6/2011 at 5:17pm
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I've used the Quechua base seconds on a C&CC site (Moffat) and had no problems using it as an awning.
We also use it with a tarp attached to the van


Message posted by Vickit17/6/2011 at 10:15pm
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That's pretty much the same way we set ours up but they weren't buying it. Had no problem at standard C&CC sites, just Forest Holidays, I think maybe because they don't have marked pitches they have different rules, and some campsite wardens really love their rules don't they..... 


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