Hi i have a laptop using windows 10 just had a upgrade message about going to windows 11 has any one done this and how is it working??
any problems or pitfalls to watch out for? and what is the edge like in windows 11 any better or not?
Dave
Go into your settings first and have a look to see if you can download windows 11 because the message I had on my PC is that my system is not capable. It's just another money making advancement by Microsoft to make people buy a more powerful PC in order to run the windows 11 software. I'm happy with windows 10 so can't see any justification in spending more money just to upgrade to to the next level.
Both my laptop and my PC displayed the message saying that they were not compatible with Windows 11.
If you remember when Windows 10 came out Microsoft made a big thing of it being the final operating system and any further upgrades would simply be updates to Windows 10. So much for their promises.
Windows 11?? Why? I'm still perfectly happy with Windows 7. I have used Windows 10 on the computers in the Hospital Radio studio where I'm a volunteer presenter, and I don't think much of it. I suppose if I were forced to use it I'd get used to it, but not through choice. When I try and use the studio computers I can never find what I am looking for, whereas on my own computers I can go straight to it.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it is my motto. What I have does everything I want so why spend money just to make someone who is already far richer than I will ever be, even richer?
Personally, I think this continual "upgrading" is a big con to make us buy new equipment. I appreciate there may be a need to improve on the operation of computers and programs, but it just getting crazy.
My latest problem. I have been using our local e library on my ipad since lockdown began. Found it very useful. OK, it would crash occasionally, but all I had to do was delete the App and download again. This was fine while the library used RBDigital. It reached a stage where I received a note the updated app would not run on my ipad, did I want to download the last version that would. So, no problem there.
Recently, the library changed to Libby/overdrive. This, once again, was fine until a few weeks ago it crashed. OK, delete and upload the app again. It would not sync with the library. I asked ovedrive for advice. There response, "your ipad is too old, you will have to buy a new one."
I do not have that sort of money. Fortunately, ibooks still works and there are quite a few free books on there.
Since I am still working and have an active business subscription to Windows/MS Office etc., I can get a free upgrade from Windows 10.
However, I have not got round to doing it yet, as I am hoping for the bugs if any to be sorted out first.
The laptop is new earlier this year so it has better be capable!
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I have upgraded to Win 11 and not much difference however one very annoying aspect that is driving me mad is when you go anywhere near the task bar you get a pop up telling that battery is 100% charged or date and time or language you are using and where you are located. Enough to make you think of reverting back to Win 10!
Upstairs in my office I have the first computer I ever bought. It runs Windows 3.1 and still works perfectly as a stand-alone computer. If I could be bothered I could get it to connect to the internet, but it's not worth it. Since then I have used Win95, Win98, XP, and now Win 7. Each time I have upgraded I have either had to buy or build a new computer, and the main thing I have noticed is that any "improvements" have got smaller and smaller with each "upgrade". The biggest upgrade in my opinion was from Win 3.1 to Win 95 and from then on very little. I can now think of absolutely nothing that I am likely to want to do that can't be done on Win 7, which is why I have stopped there.
In my opinion most "upgrades" have been about getting us to spend more money on making a very rich man even richer. They certainly weren't about making things any better for the rest of us. I know Win 7 is "no longer supported" by Microsoft, but what does that mean? You can't get any more "updates" is about all I can think of, but does that really matter? Some of the ones I have had in the past have simply caused problems, and I have had to remove them. The best I can say about the others is that they haven't done any harm.
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 06/12/2021
Upstairs in my office I have the first computer I ever bought. It runs Windows 3.1 and still works perfectly as a stand-alone computer. If I could be bothered I could get it to connect to the internet, but it's not worth it. Since then I have used Win95, Win98, XP, and now Win 7. Each time I have upgraded I have either had to buy or build a new computer, and the main thing I have noticed is that any "improvements" have got smaller and smaller with each "upgrade". The biggest upgrade in my opinion was from Win 3.1 to Win 95 and from then on very little. I can now think of absolutely nothing that I am likely to want to do that can't be done on Win 7, which is why I have stopped there.
In my opinion most "upgrades" have been about getting us to spend more money on making a very rich man even richer. They certainly weren't about making things any better for the rest of us. I know Win 7 is "no longer supported" by Microsoft, but what does that mean? You can't get any more "updates" is about all I can think of, but does that really matter? Some of the ones I have had in the past have simply caused problems, and I have had to remove them. The best I can say about the others is that they haven't done any harm.
I wanted to revert back to Win 10 thinking there was a 30 day window like previous upgrades, but the window has been reduced to 10 days. Although you can still revert back to Win 10 it is a lot more complicated.
Eventually the old versions of Windows (eg Windows 7) will no longer be supported, this principally means they will not be improved any longer to cope with new hacking threats. 3rd party software eg Photoshop, browsers, etc will change over time for the newer versions and may / may not continue to work on older Windows and the versions for older Windows will start to disappear - there are no guarantees. Also worth noting that Windows 10 didn't require any improved hardware from Windows 7. However Windows 11 does require better hardware.
It may be a ploy to get more £ in some ways, yes, but employing people to stay ahead of the hackers isn't cheap either. And honestly, 8 or so (depending how you count them) versions of Windows in 30 years, considering the pace of change of technology in that time, isn't out of the question.
I've resisted upgrading from Win 8 to 10 as I see no benefit and a HOST of potential problems. I was horrified at the amount of hardware and software (printers, scanners, dedicated film/negative digitisers, digitising tablets etc.), all high end quality products that no longer worked with Win 8 (it came ready installed on new PC) after using Win XP. I've had to set up virtual machines running Win XP to continue using old but otherwise perfectly functional hardware, and rather niche software, albeit in a usually compromised way, rather than spend thousands of pounds on new compatible equipment and give up on software that has no current equivalent. I dread to think what the implications of Win 11 would be - it won't have got better.
What is often over looked is that Windoze (it's flawed and gets painfully slow with use!) is ONLY an Operation System, it's only role is to facilitate the installation and operation of 'Programs', now often called 'Apps', which is the software which really performs the tasks you want, Microsoft have got ideas way beyond their station, and have imposed bloated, poorly coded software (they use the long suffering paying customer as their testers, and perpetually issue updates to correct what they should have got right in the first place!) on the long suffering public, and each Windoze iteration seemingly requires a quantum leap in processing power/memory (often meaning new PCs/laptops) just to function itself, never mind what programs it runs.
Rather than buy new PCs/Laptops, I tend to install a Linux OS (a choice of variants available and mostly legitimately free), which makes old computers really fly, like Windoze never could. For every day use, a Linux machine will do internet and office tasks far more reliably than Windoze, it only starts to fall behind when you venture into more specialised areas like high end graphics and video editing etc. where the software choice is more limited, but sometimes that can be overcome by using an emulator or virtual machine and Win software.
Personally speaking, since Win XP, I've resisted the upgrades as they seem to offer no real benefit, but always bring penalties by way of additional costs and unwanted but imposed 'features'! I certainly wouldn't want to be an early adopter of any Microsoft product, they have a well established abysmal record of getting it wrong and then having to perpetually retrospectively attempt to put it right, and not always succeeding!
I can see merit in improved hardware/technology requiring upgrades in OS and software, but an OS that forces a need to upgrade hardware is not for me, especially when latest Linux will happily run on some 'antique' machines!
Quote: Originally posted by arthurdent on 06/12/2021
Eventually the old versions of Windows (eg Windows 7) will no longer be supported, this principally means they will not be improved any longer to cope with new hacking threats. 3rd party software eg Photoshop, browsers, etc will change over time for the newer versions and may / may not continue to work on older Windows and the versions for older Windows will start to disappear - there are no guarantees. Also worth noting that Windows 10 didn't require any improved hardware from Windows 7. However Windows 11 does require better hardware.
It may be a ploy to get more £ in some ways, yes, but employing people to stay ahead of the hackers isn't cheap either. And honestly, 8 or so (depending how you count them) versions of Windows in 30 years, considering the pace of change of technology in that time, isn't out of the question.
Windows 7 is definitely no longer supported, like other operating systems before it, but that doesn't mean it won't still work as it always did. I seriously wonder whether the hacking threat is that serious anymore with older systems. I would think (although I could be wrong) that hackers wouldn't bother that much on the assumption that nobody uses them anymore. They tend to like a challenge, and would rather go after newer systems on that basis.
With regard to software, I agree newer software may not work on older systems but if you don't intend to use any newer software there isn't a problem. One of the updates I received once, before I turned them off, interfered with the old version of MS Office that I was using, so I went over to using Libre Office instead until I found out what the problem was and got rid of the update. I can only presume that the intention was to get me to buy a new version of MS Office. Well that didn't work, did it? I mainly use either Free-ware or Share-ware anyway, as I'm reluctant to line MS pockets any more than I have to. Incidentally, Libre Office will open MS Office files, but not the other way round. I wonder why?
thank you everyone i think i will stay with win 10 for now i have till the end of April 22 before i have to pay for the upgrade so i will watch and listen & learn before i do anything .
thank you very much. At work I'm using a mixture of win 10 and 7 depending on what i need to do and email is outlook 2013 and other systems for purchasing goods for the local NHS. all in all i am have a very steep learning curve ..... not bad for an old fart!!!
Quote: Originally posted by justdave on 06/12/2021
thank you everyone i think i will stay with win 10 for now i have till the end of April 22 before i have to pay for the upgrade so i will watch and listen & learn before i do anything .
thank you very much. At work I'm using a mixture of win 10 and 7 depending on what i need to do and email is outlook 2013 and other systems for purchasing goods for the local NHS. all in all i am have a very steep learning curve ..... not bad for an old fart!!!
MS were trying to lure me in to Win10 by offering me a free upgrade from Win7, but I wouldn't bite. I don't like Win10 to use, and I have heard it can be very intrusive. If/when Win7 becomes unusable, which will probably be many years away, I will probably go over to Zorin or another Linux O/S.
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