Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 24/10/2016
Quote: Originally posted by richardandjo2010 on 22/10/2016
OP you disgust me how dare you sit there and preach how hard done by you were in your early years, to be brought up in a council house is fine and youngsters these days would love the opportunity to be offered one but unfortunately folk of your generation bought them all then feel the need to tell others how much you made out of it. I myself didn't bother too much with school and education my own choice I always made my own way. But my Daughter went to uni she has graduated at a huge cost she is in debt for well over 20k and spent 3yrs living away from home eating poor quality food and taking a pt job between studies. Btw these kids don't do this by choice they do it because its virtually the bare minium thesedays just to get a job, I suppose you would soon be moaning if they didn't bother, and you will do well to remember this young generation are our future and these will be the ones who will look after you when you have spent your pension.
Firstly, I give not a jot that I disgust you, in my old job I had to have very broad shoulders, believe me.
Second, I never said I was hard done by living on a Council estate. I was stating a fact.
Third, I never benefited from the council house sell off, which I totally disagree with.
My next door neighbours dauhter left uni with a 20k debt, but did a gap year traveling then spent over 20k of her parents money on her wedding. It is called priorities.
I am sure your daughter is not he only one who stayed away for 3 years and ate rubbish food.......Whilst going out night out on the lash 3 times a week. It is called priorities.
Lastly, I will not spend all my pension.........It is called priorities.
Whilst you claim it's all tongue in cheek. You have chosen a topic to rub peoples nose in that will have a profound bearing on many people not as lucky as yourself.
You deceive with a working class upbringing and detest the priorities that change by "some" youngsters. It's pretty low when you go with a "modern" social media platform and spout about your wealth and that you don't care. That is not what "your" generation would do. Would you say this down a working mans club to a packed audience?
You have chosen anonymity on a public forum in it's lowest form. Whilst you have so called wealth. I can attest that socially you are a poor man.
Have fun but what you are doing is no longer what the youngsters call "fun".
Grow up.
Quote: Originally posted by Sleeper17 on 26/10/2016
Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 24/10/2016
Quote: Originally posted by richardandjo2010 on 22/10/2016
OP you disgust me how dare you sit there and preach how hard done by you were in your early years, to be brought up in a council house is fine and youngsters these days would love the opportunity to be offered one but unfortunately folk of your generation bought them all then feel the need to tell others how much you made out of it. I myself didn't bother too much with school and education my own choice I always made my own way. But my Daughter went to uni she has graduated at a huge cost she is in debt for well over 20k and spent 3yrs living away from home eating poor quality food and taking a pt job between studies. Btw these kids don't do this by choice they do it because its virtually the bare minium thesedays just to get a job, I suppose you would soon be moaning if they didn't bother, and you will do well to remember this young generation are our future and these will be the ones who will look after you when you have spent your pension.
Firstly, I give not a jot that I disgust you, in my old job I had to have very broad shoulders, believe me.
Second, I never said I was hard done by living on a Council estate. I was stating a fact.
Third, I never benefited from the council house sell off, which I totally disagree with.
My next door neighbours dauhter left uni with a 20k debt, but did a gap year traveling then spent over 20k of her parents money on her wedding. It is called priorities.
I am sure your daughter is not he only one who stayed away for 3 years and ate rubbish food.......Whilst going out night out on the lash 3 times a week. It is called priorities.
Lastly, I will not spend all my pension.........It is called priorities.
Whilst you claim it's all tongue in cheek. You have chosen a topic to rub peoples nose in that will have a profound bearing on many people not as lucky as yourself.
You deceive with a working class upbringing and detest the priorities that change by "some" youngsters. It's pretty low when you go with a "modern" social media platform and spout about your wealth and that you don't care. That is not what "your" generation would do. Would you say this down a working mans club to a packed audience?
You have chosen anonymity on a public forum in it's lowest form. Whilst you have so called wealth. I can attest that socially you are a poor man.
Have fun but what you are doing is no longer what the youngsters call "fun".
Grow up.
Sorry, but I have no idea what you are on about, you make no sense whatsoever.
Quote: Originally posted by SGThomas on 26/10/2016Housing: In the past there would be multiple generation occupancy of a home. A couple would then leave to go to their own accommodation.
Now the requirement is for single people to want their own property and marriages are being dissolved at the drop of a hat meaning at least 2 homes where before there was one. Even with no population growth there was an unnatural demand for housing.
The families on the continent, tending to be be more nuclear, suffer far less from this.
I beg to differ. My parents married and set up home together at 22 years old, having both left the family home a couple of years earlier. In the early 70s, when I left school, I and most of my peers left the family home by the time they were in their very early 20s, renting for a few years and then buying a home.
Young people today find it really hard to rent properties, even if they're earning a decent income, because rents are so high. Because rents are so high, they cannot save a deposit unless they're earning a really good salary. I have several friends and colleagues in their 30s, none of them have managed to buy a place without significant financial help from parents or grandparents. Many of them are also struggling to repay their student loans; my generation got full grants and didn't have to fork out £9k a year in tuition fees.
Successive governments over the last 30 years or so have signally failed to address the housing issue, and today's young people are paying the price for that.
Stuart. There is nothing in your post that is untrue, or that I would disagree with, however none of the things you mention should have been unexpected.
Yes of course people are living longer, and babies are surviving when they would once have died, but given the brilliance of our scientists such was inevitable.
In terms of housing things are coming full circle. Young people today are being forced to live with their parents for much longer than my generation did, because housing has become unaffordable to them. I got married and left home at 19, and that marriage has lasted 48 years so far. I know that marriage breakups are more common today, but most of those people go on to remarry or live with a partner, so the increase in housing demand for that reason is insignificant in my opinion.
I would agree that many families on the continent are more nuclear, but I think that has probably always been the case. I also think that it has for many generations not been the case in Britain. Children growing up and wanting to leave home and start their own family is nothing new. I did it, my parents did it, and their parents before them. Like I said, nothing unexpected.
What you said about the state pension is also true, life expectancy after pension age has grown enormously, but was this unexpected? It seems our continental cousins didn’t think so, as most of their state pensions are much higher than ours, and many of them live to a ripe old age too.
I wouldn’t agree that every government CAN only tinker at the edges of the problems, but I would agree that most of them DO. There is much more that they can do, but the will to do it has to be there.
Well, I don’t want to risk turning this into a party-political debate as I don’t believe this is the place, so I will leave it there. I’ve said my piece and will go back to talking on threads more related to caravans and camping.
Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 26/10/2016
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Sorry, but I have no idea what you are on about, you make no sense whatsoever.
I thought it was just me.
Quote: Originally posted by fran1000 on 26/10/2016
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I beg to differ.
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Whatever the causes, the size of households is reducing, whilst the number of households (as well as the overall population) is increasing. That's partly because people have choices not always available in the past. And we're not making more land, and the NIMBYS don't like building on what we've got left.
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 26/10/2016
... most of their [continental] state pensions are much higher than ours, and many of them live to a ripe old age too...
Comparisons are incredibly difficult. Not all were/are sustainable, and the UK has a generally higher private provision.
We seem to be assailed on all sides with demands on health, housing, education, welfare, pensions etc etc. Anyone who can solve these issues will get my vote, but I fear we are not blessed with miracle workers.
------------- Mike
My advice is worth no more than the price paid for it
While I think you (Mike3003) are entitled to enjoy what you have now without a problem, nor are you greedy - I'm not sure you can project your life experience on todays youth. It is an unrecognisable world now than it was. You complain about the universty debt. But you had a raft of manufacturing places to get work and apprenticeships in - that is mostly gone now. The decent jobs the UK has today - office, banking, IT, etc do mostly require further education. And the young, heaven help them, now have to pay through the nose for it.
Nor do I think is it reasonable to take the experience of one person (the neighbour on a gap year) and assume that all youth are like that now. Actually, I'm not even sure you can come to the conclusion that the neighbour is wrong. In 20 years time maybe that gap year will have been the best thing they did. Their decision, not yours.
Sorry OP, you come across as a grumpy old man - not that you'll care (nor would I want you to).
Quote: Originally posted by Baguette95 on 26/10/2016
Why can't older people accept that younger people are decent and hard working, and younger people accept that older people are decent and have worked hard?
The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.
Socrates 485BC
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