I think in the long term, they will colour diesel for use with HGV's and keep the price low, but for regular car users, I can see diesel costing twice as much as petrol.
Of course there will still be Red diesel for the farmers.
Personally I think anyone buying a new diesel right now, needs there bumps feeling!
Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 06/5/2017
Personally I think anyone buying a new diesel right now, needs there bumps feeling!
Like I said Fran. I'm guessing around 8 yrs left for diesel so for average mileage buyer right now is perfect timing to buy one's last diesel car. Or it was before the road tax rates went up. No UK gov will do anything stupid with tax so we will agree to differ on this one.
OK then, give me some suggestions. Our elderly (2002) BMW X5 is dying on its feel after 200k miles. We tow and also live in the countryside. We rarely, if ever, go into towns, either here or in France. However, we probably only cover around 11k miles a year, of which around 3k is towing, mostly on the continent. Oh and we have 2 dogs who travel in a cage in the "boot". We want something with a smaller engine (X5 is 3 litre)and greater economy.
Petrol or diesel? Estate car or SUV (hubby prefers the latter)? Makes and models?
OH, by the way, before anyone chips in, we didn't have the BMW from new, but bought it 5 years ago from the widow of a dear friend.
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I did run an Octavia 1.2 with the auto box a few years ago. Was adequate, but wouldnt have wanted to tow with it.You had to pick your spots for overtaking etc, but depends what you want it for. I wouldnt run a Skoda auto box outside of a warranty though..too many problems there.
Re Diesel, I run a Euro6 which is acknowledged, grudgingly by some, to be as clean as most petrols. Due to Adblue additive its Nox emmissions are low as are its Co2. The latest missive from the Government indicated that the Euro6 machines will be exempt from its proposals.Interestingly the same exemption exists by the french in relation to its City restrictions. Needs to be put into context. A lot of diesels are bad, but some are very worth buying.
Again, can't speak to Octy, and the OP was simply asking about Skoda's small petrol engines, and not towing.
I've had two Yetis with the 1.2 petrol 7 speeed dry DSG box. It's not especially a Skoda product. Their Vrchlabí plant builds them for VAG. Our first one sometimes had a judder setting off especially on an uphill curve. I could predict which junctions it would do it on.
We had a 5 yr warranty and during the time we had the car there was mention on the Skoda forums that they'd fixed it for later models. That car we turned it after 5 years and got 50% back and were very happy with that.
Our second one we've had 14 months from new and never had the judder. But again, the warranty applies for the time we'll have it. A 1.2 petrol from any brand wouldn't be my first choice for towing for anything more than a garden trailer.
On the emissions, we'll need to see how the restrictions pan out and how the systems operate.
The French CRIT'Air system rates best from green for EV's, then next best a purple 1 up to a black/grey no 5 for the worst polluters.
A petrol or hybrid euro 5 or 6 car like ours will get a purple 1 certificate
Diesel cars start at a yellow 2 certificate for euro 5/6.
Quote: Originally posted by JoannaLesley on 08/5/2017
OK then, give me some suggestions. Our elderly (2002) BMW X5 is dying on its feel after 200k miles. We tow and also live in the countryside. We rarely, if ever, go into towns, either here or in France. However, we probably only cover around 11k miles a year, of which around 3k is towing, mostly on the continent. Oh and we have 2 dogs who travel in a cage in the "boot". We want something with a smaller engine (X5 is 3 litre)and greater economy.
Petrol or diesel? Estate car or SUV (hubby prefers the latter)? Makes and models?
OH, by the way, before anyone chips in, we didn't have the BMW from new, but bought it 5 years ago from the widow of a dear friend.
You have a dilemma. You don't do enough mileage to warrant a diesel and could end up with expensive problems through lack of use, but you do need something which can tow.
Your X5 won't get huge mpg and I accept you said you want more, but there are petrol cars which will give similar mpg to the X5 and can also tow.
11k miles pa isn't low it's average. No dilemma at all. Buy another diesel. If you buy the petrol version of your diesel car of choice your fuel costs will be higher & if you buy new so probably will your first yr's road tax.
I actually said - 11k miles is low mileage 'to warrant a diesel'.
Largely because of the expense of replacing a DPF, which is a consumable item and isn't cheap. Typically £500-1,000 and as much as £4,000 just for the component. Sensors are extra.
Just traded in my 8yr old 80k miles Berlingo 1.6hdi for same again & apart from normal service items nothing else was replaced. Diesels can run for double that or more on same Dpf. New euro6 diesels use adblue which has largely elminated blocked Dfp anyway. I really don't know where this sudden diesel hate has come from. Probably from the USA. I'm guessing we will still be driving diesels here in 20yrs time.
The far eastern SUVs loved buy UK caravanners are all available in US with large gas guzzling petrols. If there is demand they can be sold in UK I'm sure. 16mpg towing anybody?
Quote: Originally posted by Opensauce on 11/5/2017
... I really don't know where this sudden diesel hate has come from...
Not sudden for me. I've never liked them. Comes from having to pump the filthy stuff back in the day, and from years of following the rubbish being spewed out.
I see the dilemma for those who tow. Not everybody does. The OP tent camps.
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I've always been a fan of diesel cars right from the days of the clattery 80s Ford Escorts. While the petrol engines barely managed 30mpg the diesels would do at least double that & good for 200k miles provided cambelt was changed which was an easy diy job on those engines.
Then they brought out the turbo 1.8 & you actually had some performance to go with the fuel economy.
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Topic: Skoda Octavia Petrol 1.2/1.4
