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Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 08/2/2019
You lot have got it real easy, just the other day I had to wait when Farmer P decided to cross the lane with about 150 sheep! Not only was I made to wait, I had to then drive through a ton and a half of Sheep sh*te.

Then to add insult to injury I had to travel, very slowly, behind three bloody Lamas!

You townies have no idea! 👍😀



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Quote: Originally posted by Ewen c on 09/2/2019
Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 08/2/2019
You lot have got it real easy, just the other day I had to wait when Farmer P decided to cross the lane with about 150 sheep! Not only was I made to wait, I had to then drive through a ton and a half of Sheep sh*te.

Then to add insult to injury I had to travel, very slowly, behind three bloody Lamas!

You townies have no idea! 👍😀



Regularly get stuck behind the cattle being brought in. Great to see thw collie at work. One of my staff didn't realise that most cows have horns.




A few years ago we were in Scotland but for the life of me can't remember where exactly and we were confronted by literally hundreds of mail pheasants all over the road just wandering about without a care in the world, it was like a forest of them over a good couple of hundred yards or so, only wish I'd had a camera with me it would have been a once in a life time shot. Never seen anything like it and don't suppose I ever will again but boy was it fantastic!

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So the Royal Mail is using them to deliver now?

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Quote: Originally posted by blueexpo97 on 10/2/2019
So the Royal Mail is using them to deliver now?



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How about this situation? A few days ago I was travelling along a dual carriageway in the nearside lane doing 70mph. I was being followed by other vehicles doing the same speed. In the outside line was another vehicle going slightly faster than I was and therefore he was basically stuck on my tail and very slowly starting to overtake.

I was approaching an intersection slip road to my left and could see a stream of traffic heading down it at the same speed I was travelling. I couldn't brake because the traffic behind me would have wiped me out and I couldn't move to the outside lane because of the pillock sat on my rear wing.

It was apparent that the cars on the intersection slip had no intention of stopping or slowing and indeed the leading car simply came straight out into my lane as if he hadn't even seen me. I had nowhere to go as he forced me out into the outside lane and my heart was in my mouth at that point.

Thankfully somebody must have been looking after me because the car in the outside lane had seen what was happening and slowed down to allow me in but if he had been alongside me at that point I would have been toast...along with many others I suspect.

So...did I do something wrong? Did the cars on the intersection slip do something wrong? How would you have handled that situation?

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i would have GENTLY applied the brakes to indicate to those behind that i was slowing down. braking doesnt have to be dramatic or abrupt, so the following traffic was really unlikely to have "wiped you out" at the same time i would be indicating so that the vehicle on my offside has a chance to see my side repeater and moved out to position myself to the right hand side of my lane..

this would have achieved a few things, it would have given you more time to assess the flow of traffic joining to accurately gauge what was going on, it would alert those behind to the change in your speed and alerted the driver in the next lane that you were looking to pull out, or at the very least allowed them to pass you so you could then pull out. moving out to the right of your lane would also have given you a better view of the situation, ensured you werent in the blindspot of the vehicles joining and alerted those in the right hand lane to a possible problem, if only by dint of the fact that they are all wondering what the bloke in the noddy car was up to.

now, they are all perfect scenarios and noone can accurately judge how close you really were to your missis selling your tent. you thought the traffic behind was going to wipe you out, in reality they may very well have been driving perfectly and aware of whats going on up front, just like the, ahem, "pillock.." as you referred to him who actually realised what was happening and let you pull out.....

however.

if you want me to be honest, i would have anticipated what was going to happen at the junction and made sure i wasnt in that situation in the first place. i would have either slowed down before and moved out or accelerated slightly before the junction and moved out.

i mean come on bob, we are onto the fourth page of this thread describing exactly this sort of stuff, so its hardly a surprise, is it?


and on another forum, somewhere else someone has posted a thread about an old bloke in a noddy car who failed to read the road and caused everyone else to move out of his way......



its all subjective bob, and everyone sees their car as their own castle nowadays. everyone is a perfect driver and everyone else is always at fault.




like i said.

people make mistakes.

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So the car behind you wasn't leaving a decent braking distance? Other wise you could have reduced speed and tucked in behind the car in the other lane.
Was there anything in front of you that would have allowed you to speed up and get in the other lane? Admittedly this would have broken the speed limit but it would have been an emergency.
Oops, forgot you drive a Micra. Probably flat out at 70.

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Quote: Originally posted by moppetsdad on 09/2/2019
Quote: Originally posted by Ewen c on 09/2/2019
Quote: Originally posted by Mike3003 on 08/2/2019
You lot have got it real easy, just the other day I had to wait when Farmer P decided to cross the lane with about 150 sheep! Not only was I made to wait, I had to then drive through a ton and a half of Sheep sh*te.

Then to add insult to injury I had to travel, very slowly, behind three bloody Lamas!

You townies have no idea! 👍😀



Regularly get stuck behind the cattle being brought in. Great to see thw collie at work. One of my staff didn't realise that most cows have horns.




A few years ago we were in Scotland but for the life of me can't remember where exactly and we were confronted by literally hundreds of mail pheasants all over the road just wandering about without a care in the world, it was like a forest of them over a good couple of hundred yards or so, only wish I'd had a camera with me it would have been a once in a life time shot. Never seen anything like it and don't suppose I ever will again but boy was it fantastic!



Made me laugh that! There's a herd of highland coos frequently around a particular junction on Mull and I was heading over the road when in front of me were about six cars, all stationary. Lots of people stop to take photos but none of the car occupants were out of their cars. Pulled up behind and went up the line to see what the issue was and if help needed, threading my way through the highlanders. The coos were blocking the road and people were too frightened of their horns to get out. They'd been there 45 minutes! A couple of gentle taps and the obstruction moved off.

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Quote: Originally posted by Ewen c on 14/2/2019
So the car behind you wasn't leaving a decent braking distance? Other wise you could have reduced speed and tucked in behind the car in the other lane.
Was there anything in front of you that would have allowed you to speed up and get in the other lane? Admittedly this would have broken the speed limit but it would have been an emergency.
Oops, forgot you drive a Micra. Probably flat out at 70.



Well, there was more than one car behind me as the road was fairly busy so they were all fairly close to me and each other travelling at 70 mph. There was nothing in front of me.

There was a row of cars on the slip also travelling one behind the other at 70mph and converging on a collision course with me and the cars behind. Then I had the car in the outside lane which by then was probably level with my rear side window, so I was trapped.

Slowing down wouldn't have helped much because if the first car on the slip didn't get me the others would have and there was no room between them to slip in between and no gaps behind me for them to slip in between.

I couldn't move out into the outside lane because of the slowly overtaking car almost alongside me so indicating to move out might not have deterred him.

Bearing in mind it takes longer to write this than the actual incident which was a matter of seconds - lol.

Anyway, I had no choice but to move out into the outside lane otherwise the car coming off the slip would definitely have collided with my nearside and at that point I was slightly more concerned with avoiding him than where the car in the outside lane was but as luck would have it he had braked to allow me in.

In my opinion the car in the outside lane, which was exceeding the speed limit and by doing so was slowly overtaking me giving me no room to move out on approach to the slip, was at fault. Had he not been speeding, not only would he not have caught up with me in the first place but he wouldn't have been alongside on approach to the slip, so I could easily have moved into the outside lane as I would normally do in such circumstances. Due to his actions I was trapped between him and the converging traffic and had nowhere to go.

It didn't help that the converging car was intent on ploughing into the side of me regardless, whereas he could have stayed in his original lane for awhile longer as it was not just a slip road as such, it was where two main roads converge with different lanes for different destinations.





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I agree Bob, the guy overtaking should have read the road ahead and slowed to let you move into his lane. Too many drivers don't consider others and don't read the road ahead. Now, if they had all had to ride motorbikes before getting a car licence they might drive a bit differently, a bit more defensively and learn to read the road ahead and the state of the road itself.

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Thats the problem in a nutshell! If everyone drove as they should ,we would not be having this discussion.
The truth is some drivers are incapable of reading the road ahead or possibly just don't give a hoot.
They have to get where they are going as fast as they can and to hell with everyone else.
Rain, hail or snow you still see them not driving to suit the conditions, they just don't seem to get it

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Quote: Originally posted by Ewen c on 15/2/2019
Now, if they had all had to ride motorbikes before getting a car licence they might drive a bit differently, a bit more defensively and learn to read the road ahead and the state of the road itself.



Well said Ewan. I rode one for 25 years without incident and only survived by always assuming the idiot would do the unthinkable. Many did!!!

You can tell just by the way a car is being driven or looks whether they are likely to do something unexpected.

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I'm only glad that I now have cameras front and rear. Not that those help to prevent any incident, but they do provide evidence if one should happen!

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Quote: Originally posted by JoannaLesley on 17/2/2019
I'm only glad that I now have cameras front and rear. Not that those help to prevent any incident, but they do provide evidence if one should happen!



Your dependants will be very grateful you have those assuming the cameras survive the crash

Perhaps we need little black boxes in cars.

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The Highway Code. Check out the very first rule...

3. Joining the motorway (259)
259
Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You should

give priority to traffic already on the motorway
check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway
remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking.


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