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Quote: Originally posted by marg6 on 07/12/2023
yesterday i travelled on our local line to do some shopping into the nearest town, this was 4 stops away, only the final stop had any rail people on it. the train i got, the driver had to get up and put the ramp out for me (mobility scooter user) so i was sat there with my pass in hand and debit card ready, and not one person came to take my fare. the same happened on my return. there are no barriers at all at any of these stations on my route



With a moblity scooter or wheelchair you would really have problems on our branch line unless you had phoned ahead first. You would not be able to get off the train, even at the terminus. The only staff is the booking clerk in the ticket office, and they are only there until 2pm. The driver couldn't help much, even if you caught him as he went by on his way to the rear cab, as he would have no key for the ramp.


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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 08/12/2023
Quote: Originally posted by marg6 on 07/12/2023
yesterday i travelled on our local line to do some shopping into the nearest town, this was 4 stops away, only the final stop had any rail people on it. the train i got, the driver had to get up and put the ramp out for me (mobility scooter user) so i was sat there with my pass in hand and debit card ready, and not one person came to take my fare. the same happened on my return. there are no barriers at all at any of these stations on my route



With a moblity scooter or wheelchair you would really have problems on our branch line unless you had phoned ahead first. You would not be able to get off the train, even at the terminus. The only staff is the booking clerk in the ticket office, and they are only there until 2pm. The driver couldn't help much, even if you caught him as he went by on his way to the rear cab, as he would have no key for the ramp.




which station is that from Colin? so i can make sure i dont ever have need to use it



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Trains....who'd 'ave 'em! Rolled up for our Leeds train Friday, to find it was cancelled. Had to get a connecting train from Doncaster. Not told till we got to Peterborough station. Coming back; thought sod it we'll get an earlier train to the timed one and risk it - they still had our money anyway. Never saw a conductor the whole journey. This was maybe 10 coaches, with hardly anyone in any. 3 in ours. I think he couldnt be bothered walking the quarter-mile both ways to check, in the hope he'd find a 'dodger.'


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Pleased to report that all went well, no problem with the QR codes on my phone (much to my surprise), but had to pay 1 each way on the bus, which was quick and even quicker coming back. At least St Paul's and the Tower are good landmarks.


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Quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Bonce on 15/12/2023
Pleased to report that all went well, no problem with the QR codes on my phone (much to my surprise), but had to pay 1 each way on the bus, which was quick and even quicker coming back. At least St Paul's and the Tower are good landmarks.



Good to hear the trip went well.

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15/12/2023 at 10:08am
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Quote: Originally posted by marg6 on 08/12/2023
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 08/12/2023
Quote: Originally posted by marg6 on 07/12/2023
yesterday i travelled on our local line to do some shopping into the nearest town, this was 4 stops away, only the final stop had any rail people on it. the train i got, the driver had to get up and put the ramp out for me (mobility scooter user) so i was sat there with my pass in hand and debit card ready, and not one person came to take my fare. the same happened on my return. there are no barriers at all at any of these stations on my route



With a moblity scooter or wheelchair you would really have problems on our branch line unless you had phoned ahead first. You would not be able to get off the train, even at the terminus. The only staff is the booking clerk in the ticket office, and they are only there until 2pm. The driver couldn't help much, even if you caught him as he went by on his way to the rear cab, as he would have no key for the ramp.




which station is that from Colin? so i can make sure i dont ever have need to use it





Only just seen this. It's the branch line to Hertford East, leaves the main Cambridge line at Broxbourne. Staffing levels are already abysmal, and the railway would like to cut them still further, which is the main thing the strikes are all about. One of the main things the railway wants drivers to accept in order to get their pay rise is more staff cuts. It's already gone too far. My local station once had a staff of 16, obviously on shifts not all on at the same time, and now there is only one lady in the ticket office until 2pm, and they would like to get rid of her. Blind people can't use ticket machines, and not all disabled people can get on and off trains unassisted.

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15/12/2023 at 10:13am
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Quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Bonce on 15/12/2023
Pleased to report that all went well, no problem with the QR codes on my phone (much to my surprise), but had to pay 1 each way on the bus, which was quick and even quicker coming back. At least St Paul's and the Tower are good landmarks.



Why did you have to pay 1 on the bus? Your bus pass should be valid right across London.

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We once traveled up to and around the Lake District for nowt. Got on the train at Skipton intending to buy the tickets on the train, went right up without anyone coming round. Got off. Got on again, went a bit further. Train stopped, and we had to get a mini-bus to continue - thinking 'surely someone will want to see a ticket now'....nope. Carried on. Returned to Skipton without seeing a rail operative. We cant have been the only ones that day.


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No idea! Was just told that all passes, including Oyster, were not valid. And the conductor looked more like a student, but he did have a card reader. Think I will Google it.

Because it's what's called a heritage route apparently. No 15 St Paul's to the Tower and back.

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Quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Bonce on 15/12/2023
No idea! Was just told that all passes, including Oyster, were not valid. And the conductor looked more like a student, but he did have a card reader. Think I will Google it.

Because it's what's called a heritage route apparently. No 15 St Paul's to the Tower and back.

Post last edited on 15/12/2023 10:35:25



That would explain it. Passes, Oyster cards, etc can only be used on ordinary routes. A bit like Heritage Railways, my retired-staff pass is not normally valid on those although some do offer concessions. It is only valid on normal train services.

Is the Route 15 operated by Heritage 1950s & 1960s buses? I thought they had stopped those but they could have restarted them, particularly as you mentioned a conductor.


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Quote: Originally posted by Mick S. on 15/12/2023
We once traveled up to and around the Lake District for nowt. Got on the train at Skipton intending to buy the tickets on the train, went right up without anyone coming round. Got off. Got on again, went a bit further. Train stopped, and we had to get a mini-bus to continue - thinking 'surely someone will want to see a ticket now'....nope. Carried on. Returned to Skipton without seeing a rail operative. We cant have been the only ones that day.



It's like that all the time around here, except that you can't buy tickets on the train as there's nobody to buy them from. In theory if you are caught on a train without a ticket you will be charged a penalty fare, but the chances of getting caught are probably about 1%. I regularly make short local journeys by train and I have only been asked for my ticket/pass once this year so far, and I must have made dozens of journeys. If I can just wander on and off, so can anyone. I'm surprised anyone bothers paying at all unless they are going into the London terminus where they do have barriers.

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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 15/12/2023
Quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Bonce on 15/12/2023
No idea! Was just told that all passes, including Oyster, were not valid. And the conductor looked more like a student, but he did have a card reader. Think I will Google it.

Because it's what's called a heritage route apparently. No 15 St Paul's to the Tower and back.

Post last edited on 15/12/2023 10:35:25



That would explain it. Passes, Oyster cards, etc can only be used on ordinary routes. A bit like Heritage Railways, my retired-staff pass is not normally valid on those although some do offer concessions. It is only valid on normal train services.

Is the Route 15 operated by Heritage 1950s & 1960s buses? I thought they had stopped those but they could have restarted them, particularly as you mentioned a conductor.


I think so Colin, they were old buses




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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 15/12/2023
Quote: Originally posted by Mick S. on 15/12/2023
We once traveled up to and around the Lake District for nowt. Got on the train at Skipton intending to buy the tickets on the train, went right up without anyone coming round. Got off. Got on again, went a bit further. Train stopped, and we had to get a mini-bus to continue - thinking 'surely someone will want to see a ticket now'....nope. Carried on. Returned to Skipton without seeing a rail operative. We cant have been the only ones that day.



It's like that all the time around here, except that you can't buy tickets on the train as there's nobody to buy them from. In theory if you are caught on a train without a ticket you will be charged a penalty fare, but the chances of getting caught are probably about 1%. I regularly make short local journeys by train and I have only been asked for my ticket/pass once this year so far, and I must have made dozens of journeys. If I can just wander on and off, so can anyone. I'm surprised anyone bothers paying at all unless they are going into the London terminus where they do have barriers.



We could buy on the train at that time. It was before train Apps. or even buying online. Some stations only had ticket offices open at the very busiest time. The rest of the time you got them them onboard.

Saw a funny situation once. The conductor came round and asked a youth to see his ticket. He had a childs ticket, despite him obviously coming from work, covered in plaster etc. Then he asked for his ID, which he showed, but was of him maybe 5 years previous - in a school uniform. When asked to pay the rest of the money for an adult ticket, the lad refused. So the conductor literally threw him off the train at the next station. The thing is; this lad had a long way to go, so i cannot understand his stance or logic for the sake of a couple of quid. Which he did not claim not to have as an excuse. Just flatly refusing to pay the extra.


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Quote: Originally posted by Mick S. on 15/12/2023

We could buy on the train at that time. It was before train Apps. or even buying online. Some stations only had ticket offices open at the very busiest time. The rest of the time you got them them onboard.

Saw a funny situation once. The conductor came round and asked a youth to see his ticket. He had a childs ticket, despite him obviously coming from work, covered in plaster etc. Then he asked for his ID, which he showed, but was of him maybe 5 years previous - in a school uniform. When asked to pay the rest of the money for an adult ticket, the lad refused. So the conductor literally threw him off the train at the next station. The thing is; this lad had a long way to go, so i cannot understand his stance or logic for the sake of a couple of quid. Which he did not claim not to have as an excuse. Just flatly refusing to pay the extra.



Yes in some areas buying tickets on the train has been normal practice, but never in this area. At one time the ticket offices were open before the first train and didn't close until the last train at night had gone. Those hours have gradually been reduced over the years until now, when most of them are only open in the mornings. If the office is closed you are supposed to buy from the machine if you haven't already bought online. It is a very busy commuter line too. It runs from the county town right into the City of London, and in the mornings the trains are packed going into London, and the reverse in the afternoon. They are quite busy in the evenings too, with people going into London for the evening. They used to have guards on them, but they weren't conductors, so they couldn't sell tickets. They were taken off in the early 1990s, leaving just the driver. Rush hour trains when I drove them often had over 1,000 passengers on them. Station stops are on average about 3 minutes apart, so doing tickets on the trains would be nigh-on impossible.


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