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Subject Topic: Automatic or Manual Tow Car?
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Message posted by Mick+Tina04/4/2007 at 6:26pm
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Quote: Originally posted by langleys on 04/4/2007

Even if you do use 1,2,3 manual modes on the gearbox, the power transfer is still the same just that the box will not change out of that gear.  In-fact, some auto boxes will change up if you drive them hard enough just for their own protection.

Thats an old auto box, ours has 6



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Message posted by jeepster04/4/2007 at 7:36pm
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9 months ago I would have agreed with all the positive points made about autos. I owned one and was about to get another.

I had the worst year of car ownership I have ever had, and it was because of an auto gearbox! They are great when performing correctly, but if something goes wrong you will wish you had a manual!



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Message posted by bev+jon05/4/2007 at 12:22am
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had an auto once and cost me a lot of money when it blew up,when towing, with an oil cooler fitted as well.ruined a holiday put it that way.

never again, ever.


Message posted by Shytot4x405/4/2007 at 1:03am
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I love this 'cost a lot of money' argument. LOL!
I once had a Citroen BX manual diesel that snapped it's crankshaft. That cost a lot of money to fix.

Should I
A: avoid diesels in future?
B: avoid cars with crankshafts in future?
C: avoid Citroens in future? (OK, stupid question...)
D: avoid manual diesel Citroens in future?

Happy to run my manual Skoda Favorit day to day. (only ever available in manual form AFAIK).
More than happy to use the auto Explorer for towing. (only available in auto form in the UK - manual an option in the USA). Stick the trailer / caravan on the back and go. No worries.

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Message posted by Mick+Tina05/4/2007 at 6:15am
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Quote: Originally posted by jeepster on 04/4/2007

They are great when performing correctly, but if something goes wrong you will wish you had a manual!


Not at all really, OH would pop it into the dealer and gets it fixed under warranty

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Message posted by langleys05/4/2007 at 8:28am
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I love autos because its easier, thats why I bought the current one, but usually, for me anyway, if I am going to have a problem with a car it is usually the auotmatic gearbox ( including my current car which is presently showing signs of problems with the auto box ).  Generaly with the manual cars I have had something else go wrong or the car sold long before the gerabox has any problems.

I have had one manual car that had a problem with the gearbox and this was easily fixed.  Usually with the auto boxes, the garages will only ever do one thing as its the cheapest option, and that is put a reconditioned box in.  I have never had a problem yet with an auto box which has cost me less than 600.  Its certainly different if you have a warranty but any car I have is generaly out of warranty.  I have been reasonably lucky with cars and don't generally ever have to spend a lot but using my own experiences the majority of problems I have had have been with auto boxes ( but  still live them and always think the next one will be different ).

Its even worse with the newer ones.  The technology is higher so there is a lot more to go wrong.

The comment above 'Not at all, OH would pop it into the dealer and gets it fixed under warranty'.  If a car was stilll under warranty, I would not expect the gearbox to have a problem in that short space of time .



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Quote: Originally posted by langleys on 05/4/2007

The comment above 'Not at all, OH would pop it into the dealer and gets it fixed under warranty'.  If a car was stilll under warranty, I would not expect the gearbox to have a problem in that short space of time .


If the gearbox didn't last the length of the warranty I would be rather concerned about other major components!

Mechanical problems are easily fixed when all you do is pop the car to the main dealer. And to think I did 10 years in mech engineering and all the time it was really just that simple!!



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Message posted by campobolton05/4/2007 at 5:42pm
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Not at all really, OH would pop it into the dealer and gets it fixed under warranty

next........

very nice too if you are in that fortunate position of being able to do that money no object on a new or nearly new car blah blah blah. im definitely going to get an auto when im so old and knackerd i cant do the clutch anymore but til then ill stick to the manuals ta


Message posted by dirtydisco06/4/2007 at 8:03pm
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Owning both, I much prefer the slush-box (auto) for towing and daily driver. Considerably more relaxing, stopstart traffic is a breeze. I cannot draw a comparison as to the fuel economy (the auto is on a 4.0 v8 and the manual on a 2.5D) however I do know from past experience that for some drivers the difference in economy can be amazing. My partner traded a 1.0 fiesta for my 2.0 merc auto for her commute to work for a while, and used LESS fuel in the auto because she simply has no idea how to use a manual box properly (forever red-lining it or labouring it, never letting it work in the mid of the power band)

There is no less control in the auto with its lockdown facility and I would happily put an auto in my off-roading diesel if it was economically viable. For my particualar makes & models of vehicles the auto has proved the more reliable box for most drivers lasting 200k plus, with the equivalent manuals being nothing more than pieces by 130k


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Quote: Originally posted by EJB986 on 04/4/2007

Acceleration is better with auto's which amounts to pulling power?




Got quite a bit of zip in the T6 but I can't really say it's improved my 'puling power'.....suppose that's because Mrs R is generally sitting beside me!!

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Message posted by waffler19/4/2007 at 9:16pm
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I've towed with both. Currently have a sorento auto. Brilliant and wouldn't go back. Generally it's one thing less to think about and manoeuvring on site is a doddle with no burning clutch smell when you have to reverse up a hill. Must have an oil cooler though and check out the gear ratios as some auto boxes hunt, change form one gear to another and back again. My auto has the tiptronic option which means you can drive it in manual but just move the lever. I use this for difficult downhill stretches to keep my speed down.

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