...Many yrs ago, but not now. There are no coppers. The days of police stopping motorists are long gone, if you get caught for anything now its done by camera.
Well yes but the reality is that yrs ago we used to watch all the time for cop cars in our rearview mirrors & you used to see both traffic cars & town cars parked all over the place. Nowadays we have to look for cameras. There are only a fraction of cops in cars around now compared with yrs ago.
I suppose with anpr that can check that cars are taxed/insured etc it could be said there is less need for a visible detterent but obviously it saves money to have less cops in cars.
Quote: Originally posted by rustyncrusty on 01/10/2011
What has not been said ( as usual) is that fog lamps can and should be used in falling snow, but I can tell you that on a motorway in VERY HEAVY falling rain I have put on my rear fog lamps and notice that vehicles doing the same in front can be seen more easily. Falling snow gets me on to another of my hates, those that clean 6 inches of windscreen in front of their gob and set off with a foot of snow on the roof and every window covered in ice, usually with a gang of kids inside.
So your one that iritates other drivers, I can live with the ones that have front fogs on they don't seem to dazzle me but rear fogs are the worst. The glare off them is a distraction, when a car with rear fogs on is in a line of traffic on the motorway it naturaly moves out of line so the vehicles that are further back than the following car thinks they are brake lights, you also mask your own brake lights by doing this, making your brake lights less visible, you should not need year fogs if visibility is more than 100 yards if it is less than that you would be better slowing down then you wouldn't create the spray that causes the glare to other drivers.
Having spent many hours travelling the motorways it amazes me how many drivers put rear fogs on when it rains and 99% of them are drivers in he outside lane doing excess of the speed limit, yet they seem to think that conditions dictate than rear fogs should be deployed, as if any one else is going to be going that much faster than them to rear end them.
The best invention for rear fogs would be a speed switch, if the vehicle exceeds a set speed say 40mph then they should automatically switch off, if the driver deems that he can go faster than that then he conditions cannot be bad enough to require rear fogs to be switched on.
Why don't people read what is written before they criticising. I put my rear lamps on ONLY WHEN rain is heavy enough to obscure the car from faster approaching vehicles and this is not dazzling. I do not deploy them if I find myself in a line of traffic, only when the traffic is on the move at a reasonable speed. As to masking my brake lights, my fogs are nowhere near my brake lights and can be seen, also there is the high level one and if you can't see them get off the road for an eye test. Anyone is welcome to rear end me, I'll just call the police.
I agree fog lights should not be used in rain at all,as the name suggests they are fog lights for use when visibility in fog is less than 100m.
Even worse in heavy rain when the glare from the fog lights do mask brake lights,i would think the police would question why you had your fog lights on in rain.
Quote: Originally posted by rustyncrusty on 06/10/2011
Why don't people read what is written before they criticising. I put my rear lamps on ONLY WHEN rain is heavy enough to obscure the car from faster approaching vehicles and this is not dazzling. I do not deploy them if I find myself in a line of traffic, only when the traffic is on the move at a reasonable speed. As to masking my brake lights, my fogs are nowhere near my brake lights and can be seen, also there is the high level one and if you can't see them get off the road for an eye test. Anyone is welcome to rear end me, I'll just call the police.
I read what you posted hence my reply and how do you know you are not dazzling anyone, can you see behind you at the same time. If you actually thought more about what you are doing, the glare from your rear fogs in the rain causes drivers to look away from your vehicle making them less likely to see your brake lights. As a previous posters have said, they are fog lights.
This thread seems to have been running a long time! Rule 226 (Ithink) of the highway code says that when visibility is less than 100metres, dipped headlights must be used, rear foglights must also be used, but must be switched off when visibility improves. Since some cars, mine included, can only switch on rear foglights if the font fogs are on, (and these can only be switched on if headlights are already on) then the use of front fogs is not within the drivers control.
The question of dazzle from rear fogs is very relevant, if I remember correctly, when the fitting of these was first introduced in the late 1970's, there was generally only one lamp fitted below the rear bumper and were for use in conditions of poor visibility in daylight hours only.
Quote: Originally posted by littlejack40 on 07/10/2011
This thread seems to have been running a long time! Rule 226 (Ithink) of the highway code says that when visibility is less than 100metres, dipped headlights must be used, rear foglights must also be used, but must be switched off when visibility improves. Since some cars, mine included, can only switch on rear foglights if the font fogs are on, (and these can only be switched on if headlights are already on) then the use of front fogs is not within the drivers control.
The question of dazzle from rear fogs is very relevant, if I remember correctly, when the fitting of these was first introduced in the late 1970's, there was generally only one lamp fitted below the rear bumper and were for use in conditions of poor visibility in daylight hours only.
I love the way the law or highway code is quoted on here as if everyone is a law abiding citizen, I don't think so! There are circumstances where common sense takes over e.g. when motorway traffic is stopping and they are still coming at you like bats out of hell, this is when I put on my hazards, as you probably do. This is technically an offence! I don't think you are likely to get done for this.
Quote"when motorway traffic is stopping and they are still coming at you like bats out of hell, this is when I put on my hazards, as you probably do. This is technically an offence! I don't think you are likely to get done for this. "
That is what you are supposed to do in those circumstances,it isn't an offence.
A few cars are actually configured to put the hazard lights on automatically when the car senses emergency braking. Also seen one or two vehicles whe the high level brake light starts to rapid flash under heavy braking.
Quote: Originally posted by ad210358 on 07/10/2011
A few cars are actually configured to put the hazard lights on automatically when the car senses emergency braking. Also seen one or two vehicles whe the high level brake light starts to rapid flash under heavy braking.
I think you'll find that the use of hazards whilst moving IS an offence and the police turn a blind eye to it because of the good intention. It was an ofence originally and I've never heard of it being changed. Our dustmen caused an accident by moving off suddenly with them on and the guy passing had no idea they were about to move (I was his witness) The police at the scene told the dustcart driver he shouldn't be moving with them on. maybe HE was wrong and you are right.
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Quote: Originally posted by rustyncrusty on 08/10/2011
Quote: Originally posted by ad210358 on 07/10/2011A few cars are actually configured to put the hazard lights on automatically when the car senses emergency braking. Also seen one or two vehicles whe the high level brake light starts to rapid flash under heavy braking.
I think you'll find that the use of hazards whilst moving IS an offence and the police turn a blind eye to it because of the good intention. It was an ofence originally and I've never heard of it being changed. Our dustmen caused an accident by moving off suddenly with them on and the guy passing had no idea they were about to move (I was his witness) The police at the scene told the dustcart driver he shouldn't be moving with them on. maybe HE was wrong and you are right.
Illegal on a single carriageway, as I imagine the dustcart was, but OK on a motorway or derestricted (?) dual carriageway - Rule 116.
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