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03/11/2015 at 11:28am
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Could you please confirm what the law is regarding toeing weights please? The reason I ask is I normally tow our van, but due to recent surgery I have to surrender my licence for anything from between 6-24 months, depending on what DVLA say.

I'm sure I've read that full UK licence holders can tow certain vans depending on the combined weight of both car and van. Can you please confirm if this is the case and what the combined weight is? Any other information would be much appreciated.

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From DVLA website -

"Cars
Category B

You can drive vehicles up to 3,500kg Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) with up to 8 passenger seats (with a trailer up to 750kg).

You can also tow heavier trailers if the total MAM of the vehicle and trailer isn’t more than 3,500kg."



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If you passed your test after 1997 your licence will only have cat B & not cat E as well.

Many find this difficult to understand, so to explain...

You take MaM of car, this is max gross weight of car, ie max load that is allowed & not the actual weight on weighbridge. You add that to mtplm of caravan, which is MaM of caravan & not necessarily the actual on road weight. These 2 figures added together must not exceed 3.5tonnes to drive on just cat B licence.

You cannot lightly load a car/caravan with combined MaM's of over 3.5tonnes in order to keep outfit's actually weight to under 3.5tonnes as weighed on weighbridge.

When considering purchase of car & caravan, among other things, you need to know mtplm of caravan which will be the higher figure on plate & also will be noted on caravan spec in brochure or manufacturer website. Max laden weight of car will be in handbook & on V5 doc as 'max permissable mass'.

Also worth pointing out that a larger car, particularly a 4x4 will have high MaM so this will restrict your size of caravan that can be towed on a B licence.

It sounds daft but you can often legally tow a large caravan with smaller vehicle on a B licence whereas what might be considered a safer outfit of larger vehicle & smaller caravan would need B+E licence to legally tow.

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Craig, when you have to surrender your license due to medical reasons do you have to resit another test or do you get it back with your original Classes on it?

I thought you got your original Classes back unless you have the HGV ones which they sometimes keep back for a longer period?

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Appreciate all your information. I will now just double check the weights of both car and van, but hopefully think we will be inside the combined weight.

ST1100, when I get it back I'm sure it will come back with original classes, just need recovery time after an operation.


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Towing with a B licence

There is one extra rule on top of all the usual towing rules

The plated GVW (MAM) of the towing vehicle add to the plated MTPLM (MAM) of what is being towed must not total more than 3500 kg

Legal Example for B towing

Vehicle
GVW 2100
Towing capacity 1600

Caravan
MTPLM 1400

Total MAM 3500

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Cheers for that ROG👍🏼


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ST1000, I've just received the info from the DVLA and unfortunately I do lose certain classes. :-( Just have to play the waiting game now. Gutted.


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Was you forced to had the licence back or just told not to drive for a while


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I wasn't sure if I had to, so contacted DVLA to be on the safe side. I've now sent my questionnaire off and they will now consult my surgeon. They will then decide how long I have to surrender it :-( Gutted.


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hi

If you have a b&e licence now, am affraid it will come back with a b only.

I mate at work had the same as you and lost all pre 97 rights.

Also a point to remember if you get banned for whatever reason, when your licence comes back, it could well have lost all pre 97 rights,, inc HGV.



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Quote: Originally posted by Ray Clayton on 08/11/2015

hi

If you have a b&e licence now, am affraid it will come back with a b only.

I mate at work had the same as you and lost all pre 97 rights.

Also a point to remember if you get banned for whatever reason, when your licence comes back, it could well have lost all pre 97 rights,, inc HGV.




Usually all C & D categories are removed but BE remains as it is not subject to the D4 medical rules

There is no point removing BE as you can still tow a large caravan etc on B


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Quote: Originally posted by ROG. on 09/11/2015
Quote: Originally posted by Ray Clayton on 08/11/2015

hi

If you have a b&e licence now, am affraid it will come back with a b only.

I mate at work had the same as you and lost all pre 97 rights.

Also a point to remember if you get banned for whatever reason, when your licence comes back, it could well have lost all pre 97 rights,, inc HGV.




Usually all C & D categories are removed but BE remains as it is not subject to the D4 medical rules

There is no point removing BE as you can still tow a large caravan etc on B


True unless you go over 3500kg, the old system let you drive up to 7500kg  + trailer

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Appreciate all your info. Could you please confirm that when I get my licence back, I will still be entitled to tow my van as previously. Also what categories will I lose?

Cheers.


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Quote: Originally posted by Teessider2015 on 09/11/2015
Appreciate all your info. Could you please confirm that when I get my licence back, I will still be entitled to tow my van as previously. Also what categories will I lose?

Cheers.



Impossible to answer, as it can depend on why you have had your licence withdrawn.
For example; if you lose it because of epilepsy you would not get back PCV or certain of the HGV groups.

The only people who can give you a full and correct answer is the DVSA. I suggest you ask them.



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Cheers for that, I'll contact the DVLA.



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