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Subject Topic: Suspected carbon monoxide tent death
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21/8/2013 at 6:30pm
 Location: Norwich
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Quote: Originally posted by hankakampa on 21/8/2013
with the old draughty frame tents and no sealed in ground sheets of tents of old, it was less of a danger.

nowadays with people wanting to be sealed off from bugs, sealed off from the weather - and the advent of sealed in tents - they are sealing themselves off from a steady supply of air containing oxygen - essential for the safe burning of fuels without producing carbon monoxide which, if we breath in for a short time, we die.


Indeed, you never heard of any CO poisonings in the old days.
You'll never get everybody reading instructions anyway, so the only safe way is for manufacturers to stop making unsafe tents and go back to basics, including subjecting us to bugs and draughts.

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21/8/2013 at 8:26pm
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I wonder if co poisoning has increased with the discovery of disposable bbqs?


21/8/2013 at 9:42pm
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How heartbreaking and sad the dangers are not not feeing through.

The only thing I can think, is people think they can heat the tent and then put the heat source outside after they have warmed up, not knowing how quickly the fumes overpower a person.

My sympathies to all the family and friends of these friends.

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21/8/2013 at 11:09pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Ruby2013 on 21/8/2013Terrible news, I live in andover myself and just checked the local news to confirm, awful :( , I don't believe I know her however its a small town.



She wasn't local she was down there on holiday.


Edited to say sorry I misread your post, you are referring to her hometown.

Post last edited on 22/08/2013 08:47:42

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21/8/2013 at 11:42pm
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Very sad but before I condemn any one as using a cooking method as the cause, I do believe the sudden increase in these types of death are down to 1 how tents are now made and 2 the chemicals being used in self lighting and reconstituted briquettes this needs to be investigated properly and not just accept it is purely carbon monoxide


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21/8/2013 at 11:53pm
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A horrible tragedy and very sad to read

If it's raining we cook in the porch/canopy of the tent and only with the door open. People need to be made aware of the real dangers!

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22/8/2013 at 8:29am
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Another very very sad story, condolences to all involved.


Am I being a numpty as info on here is confusing me.

Sounds like some people think you should not cook in your tent at all, we always turn our cooker off at the gas bottle when finished, we have cooked in our tent for years and we have a zig!

It sounds like it is the flame when alight that is the problem not the gas, although that can leak and gas you.

I got this from a reputable site:

How do I avoid a carbon monoxide leak in my home?
Your home may show signs of carbon monoxide. Any one of the following could be a sign that there is carbon monoxide in your home.

The flame on your cooker should be crisp and blue. Lazy yellow or orange flames mean you need to get your cooker checked
Dark staining around or on appliances
Pilot lights that frequently blow out
Increased condensation inside windows

Please enlighten me xxx

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Quote: Originally posted by duffs54 on 22/8/2013
Another very very sad story, condolences to all involved.


Am I being a numpty as info on here is confusing me.

Sounds like some people think you should not cook in your tent at all, we always turn our cooker off at the gas bottle when finished, we have cooked in our tent for years and we have a zig!

It sounds like it is the flame when alight that is the problem not the gas, although that can leak and gas you.

I got this from a reputable site:

How do I avoid a carbon monoxide leak in my home?
Your home may show signs of carbon monoxide. Any one of the following could be a sign that there is carbon monoxide in your home.

The flame on your cooker should be crisp and blue. Lazy yellow or orange flames mean you need to get your cooker checked
Dark staining around or on appliances
Pilot lights that frequently blow out
Increased condensation inside windows

Please enlighten me xxx



Don't even go there duffs, I saw a post somewhere about cooking and the colour of the flames, and that person was shot down and made to look stupid.
I would agree though, its more to do with the incomplete combustion of fossil fuels, and ventilation is the deciding factor here.
Gas is easier to see as the flame will be yellow, like you said.
Charcoal BBQs will never burn neat, to will always give off CO, regardless of the amount of ventilation though.


At the moment, we don't know for sure what the cause of death is, it could be drink, drugs, or CO poisoning.



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22/8/2013 at 5:26pm
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Whatever the cause....A tragedy...That has effected the lives of three young people and their families...and in the case of CM poisoning completely avoidable..

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22/8/2013 at 7:15pm
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Just chased this up for the most recent news. The two men she was camping with had high blood levels of carbon monoxide on testing at hospital. The girl was dead on scene.

They had been using a heater just inside the tent.

Police asked for people to mindful when using heaters in tents.

So very tragic, the unfortunate death of a young woman.
Heartfelt condolences to her family.




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23/8/2013 at 7:36am
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Oh dear that is very sad.

I hope they let us know what the heater was in case there is a manufacturing fault so others will know!

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