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Subject Topic: Wild Camping Banned on Dartmoor
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01/2/2023 at 3:05pm
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Quote: Originally posted by DeborahTurner on 01/2/2023
I hope that this might give teeth to the management of those who view cheap Tesco camping equipment as disposable and the moors as suitable for destruction under their SUVs, while those who really are respecting and valuing the environment probably wonít get observed or detected at all. Precisely because they take care of it.

But it will depend on whether landowners do go after the big tent litterbugs on their land.



Why pick on SUVs when plenty of normal cars try going off road destroying the natural habitat as the vehicle is not suitable for off road?


via mobile 01/2/2023 at 9:06pm
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Or indeed why pick Tesco when kit by plenty of other shops litters our landÖ

Donít take it personally


02/3/2023 at 8:53am
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Quote: Originally posted by Wendyhouse on 13/1/2023
There never was a right to camp on private property without the landowners permission. This judgement merely reiterated that fact.



Not quite true.

There is a right enshrined in law to recreational activity on certain private land on Dartmoor.

The judge did not consider backpack camping recreation (only a means to achieve recreation such as a long walk which required a night or so out)). Previous to this judgement the National Park Authority and others had included certain lightweight camping activities with provisos as falling under 'recreation'.

Idiotic in my view but that's how it now stands unless successfully challenged at appeal.



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02/3/2023 at 9:08am
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Quite a few people replying on here falling in to the trap that this landowner and judgement is because of the crass idiot camping we have all seen the headlines for. This isn't what has happened here.

The landowner and a neighbour have carried out a carefully orchestrated and expensive campaign to make it as difficult as possible for recreational activity to take place on the common land they bought simply because they wish to use it for game shoots and other exclusive money making pursuits.

As to the idiot campers - there are already plenty of laws to cover that behaviour but the National Park Authority and Police are underfunded and therefore uninterested in complying with their statutory duty to tackle such behaviour effectively.

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Fair enough MrKjd. Useful info.




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02/3/2023 at 11:36am
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Quote: Originally posted by mrkjd on 02/3/2023
Quite a few people replying on here falling in to the trap that this landowner and judgement is because of the crass idiot camping we have all seen the headlines for. This isn't what has happened here.

The landowner and a neighbour have carried out a carefully orchestrated and expensive campaign to make it as difficult as possible for recreational activity to take place on the common land they bought simply because they wish to use it for game shoots and other exclusive money making pursuits.

As to the idiot campers - there are already plenty of laws to cover that behaviour but the National Park Authority and Police are underfunded and therefore uninterested in complying with their statutory duty to tackle such behaviour effectively.



Absolutely spot on !



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Court of Appeal have overtunred the original decision as the byelaws don't specifically exclude camping and it is deemed an open air recreational activity.


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Quote: Originally posted by daveyjp on 31/7/2023
Court of Appeal have overtunred the original decision as the byelaws don't specifically exclude camping and it is deemed an open air recreational activity.



Fantastic news ! A cracking slap in the face for that pair of hooray Henrys.


01/8/2023 at 9:17am
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Quote: Originally posted by daveyjp on 31/7/2023
Court of Appeal have overtunred the original decision as the byelaws don't specifically exclude camping and it is deemed an open air recreational activity.



That is really bad news for all and not just the landowners and hope that the landowners fight it! Hopefully they will start a Gofundme or similar campaign?


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Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 01/8/2023
Quote: Originally posted by daveyjp on 31/7/2023
Court of Appeal have overtunred the original decision as the byelaws don't specifically exclude camping and it is deemed an open air recreational activity.



That is really bad news for all and not just the landowners and hope that the landowners fight it! Hopefully they will start a Gofundme or similar campaign?



Why is it bad news?
Genuine wild camping done by those who travel on foot or by bicycle take nothing away but memories and photos while leaving nothing behind but footprints.
It's the privileged few who think wild camping has to be done from the comfort of a motorhome or campervan that generally blight the place.


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agree with Dave and Cyn, but what I would really like to know is how the two land owners managed to aquire common land which is supposed to be protected for all.


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Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 01/8/2023
Quote: Originally posted by daveyjp on 31/7/2023
Court of Appeal have overtunred the original decision as the byelaws don't specifically exclude camping and it is deemed an open air recreational activity.



That is really bad news for all and not just the landowners and hope that the landowners fight it! Hopefully they will start a Gofundme or similar campaign?



WHY ?

And if they do fight it I hope they lose again !


01/8/2023 at 7:08pm
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Quote: Originally posted by romany on 01/8/2023
agree with Dave and Cyn, but what I would really like to know is how the two land owners managed to aquire common land which is supposed to be protected for all.



All Dartmoor is privately owned.


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Correct, even in the National Park (which I didnít know) www.Dartmoor.gov.uk
BBC news app says ďAt the centre of this case was whether wild camping can be considered open-air recreation, which is allowed in the Park under the Dartmoor Commons Act 1985.Ē
Iíve seen wild camping here alternatively called backpack camping; vehicles & Motorhomes must go to campsites.

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2024 = 2 sites / 4 nights. 2023 = 9/23. 2022 = 13/35. 2021 = 11/29. 2020 = 4/20. 2019 = 13/35. 2018 = 20/33. 2017 = 10/22. 2016 = 19/33. 2015 = 15 sites / 27 nights. Didn't count 1976 to 2014.



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