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Message posted by Ian/Karen20/8/2010 at 6:07pm
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Hello Everybody, anybody ever used this product?



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CARAVAN-ONE-SHOT-SOFT-FLOOR-REPAIR-DELAMINATION-KIT-BN-/160465541991?pt=UK_Campervan_Caravan_Accessories



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Message posted by wizard995621/8/2010 at 9:01am
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Does this help http://www.1carpc.co.uk/wcdr/delamination.htm , pics at the bottom of the page , see link .

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Message posted by Ian/Karen21/8/2010 at 9:52am
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Thanks for that wizard, think ill be able to do it no problem, its just this product on Ebay is so much cheaper than anything else so i was wondering if its any good?

 

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Message posted by wizard995621/8/2010 at 1:24pm
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I'm sure people have asked about this glue before on here , try doing a search for delamination and see if you can find their posts .

I think i'd buy the dearer two part glue and just make up the needed amount .
Sometimes buying the cheapest is not always best . The cheap one costs £19.25 and is 1.1kg, and a dearer one costs £26.90 and is 1.5kg Click_here

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Message posted by bowler6924/8/2010 at 10:02pm
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hi there,

We have just recently bought an abi sunstar caravan to find out it is damp this is our first van and are a little unsure as what we should do its seems a little daunting.  Can anybody give an advise on what is the best way around it?  The damp is at the back end of the van opposite side to awning and is in the corner where the bunkbeds are

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Message posted by wizard995624/8/2010 at 11:16pm
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Hi Nicky , can you post some pictures on here or email some to me of the area , both inside and outside .

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Message posted by trotter25/8/2010 at 10:58pm
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Ian, Karen,

The cheaper "one shot" stuff's OK but just make sure you don't get any on your hands....It'll be there a week later.

I used the 2 part epoxy glue and followed the instructions on "http://www.1carpc.co.uk/wcdr/delamination.htm". I didn't quite have enough & used the "one shot" to finish.

They both work OK, but the epoxy 2 pack is more forgiving (just don't mix too much at one go)... if you get any on your hands it just peels off (very therapeutic)

Good luck,

Phil

Message posted by jimbro8028/8/2010 at 1:55pm
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Hi

I used the "one shot" stuff on our van about 3 weeks ago. Results are excellent. Agree with trotters comment "don't get any on your hands" as I have just about got it off after 3 weeks!!!

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Message posted by snifferg20/11/2010 at 9:30pm
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Treated the floor in our '92 Swift Challenger with the Kellycraft Floorbond delamination kit last weekend.

The whole process took about 2.5hours work including jacking, supporting from underneath, hole drilling and injecting etc.  Left it to cure for 2-3 days ('setting' process takes longer in this frosty weather we have had this week), I still need to scrape/sand the excess off the ply but the results are fantastic, a once spongey floor that resembled a trampoline in places is now as solid as a rock. 

Now for a new carpet

 

 


Message posted by wynnie6921/11/2010 at 12:05pm
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we bought this ,and although it definately did work the area of delamination in our van was so big we had to go and buy the two part stuff which was dearer ,i would say the ebay stuff did work but better for a smallish area

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Message posted by t07zombie23/11/2010 at 6:07pm
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i did mine 2 weeks ago with one shot and its brill.

it doesnt smell and is very easy to use.

i drilled 150holes 10cm apart in a grid, just down into the polystriene about 9mm.then put the one shot in,let it seep in...then put a bit more in. i then put a dowel in each hole.propped the floor up from underneath with car jack and wood.i then put a bin liner over treated area and weighted this down with plant pots bricks etc.left for 3 days....removed everything and floor is now solid.i have just put a lovley piece of shag pile down.cant wait for spring.


Message posted by snifferg04/12/2010 at 8:55pm
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I would be interested to know why some think the one shot stuff is more suitable for a small area and the two part stuff is needed for a more substantial repair?

The area I treated in our 'van was about 1.5m long and the full width of the aisle-way so not exactly a small area - it didn't go off quickly (just the opposite actually, it allowed me plenty of time to re-visit the first holes I did and apply extra).  I reckon I could have done the whole van in a couple of hours, once the holes had been drilled etc (if it had been necessary)


Message posted by mikecarter196906/12/2010 at 8:43am
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Did Mavis using 2 part stuff earlier this year, did fantastic job, floor now like a rock, not a trampoline! I think what you can surmise from these posts is, go for which ever one you feel happiest with!

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Message posted by michael06/12/2010 at 10:36am
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if i had to do it again i think i would go for two part again having used it before.

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Posted by Michael from UKcampsite

De-lamination.

 

Frightening?   Not if you set out your stall and take your time.


This is not a two hour job as stated. When you have finished, you will know why they charge so much at the caravan repair shop.

 

I have just done my caravan a few months ago. The floor had gone in two places, next to the door entrance and next to the sink four feet away.

 

You will find that de-lamination is where the floor is used most .i.e. next to the sink and the door entrance.

 

First decide how much de-lamination you have, ie.2 feet (old school) or 6 feet, and check underside for gas pipes before starting..

 

 

This size of the de-lamination is required when you order your epoxy resin mix.

 

One mix will cover about 3 feet by 3 feet.  I bought mine from Barrons -  £25 for both tins.

 

You will also need a large syringe to inject the mixed epoxy resin. Barrons sell this also.

 

The glues are called Apollo 1 and Apollo 2  I think the code is A8136. 

 

The small tin is the hardener and must be used in the time stated on the tin.

 

I will go through the steps best I can.

 

You will need:

A sharp 10mm drill

Some 10 mm round wood to cut and plug the holes, (sold in 6 foot lengths).  This needs cutting into plugs, half inch long and sanded down at one end to make insertion easier

 

 

You need to:

 

Remove all carpets or lino.

 

Tape up all joints and the cowls under the caravan.  Use a good tapeline brown 3Ē wide packing tape. 
If you donít the glue will run through the seams. (You will not know until you see a pool of glue on the path. So this is a must),

 

Support the floor under the van in some way so it cannot bend when pressure is placed on top.

Do not push up the floor. You can damage the fittings inside.

Use wood blocks stacked up just touching the floor on the underside in the same place as the
de-lamination.

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Drill a test hole.  Find a place that has no gas pipes on the underside.

 

Slowly drill one hole until it only just touches the plywood at the bottom. DO NOT DRILL THROUGH.

 

Tape up the drill at this depth, use plenty of tape to stop the drill going deeper than it should.

 

Mark out the area of de-lamination using a black marker, in a square grid pattern of 4 inch.

 

Drill to the grid pattern.  When finished you will have a large square full of holes to the size of the
de-lamination.  I.e.: 3 x 3 feet.

 

Clean away all and any dust or shavings.

 

Have a large polythene bag ready to put over the square; the glue does not stick to polythene.

 

 

You will need:


A tin or old pan large enough to hold the mix of glue. 

 

A clean strong stick to stir the mix.

 

Only mix what you need within the time allowed.

 

Start at the rear end injecting the holes one by one until the glue flows out, then plug with the wood plug.

 

When finished, place the polythene bag over all the holes.

 

Put a heavy weight on top i.e. wheels and tyres or gas bottles. Leave for 24 hours to dry.

 

Open all windows to ventilate the caravan before starting the final tasks.

 

Protective clothing (masks and gloves) must be worn at this stage.

 

Sand down all plugs until smooth.   Replace flooring.

 

 

 

Posted by Metz from UKcampsite

 

The delamination repair can be carried out from underneath, but you need to buy the complete kit which works out expensive if you only use it the once,  
this is a description of the method I use for the repair of floor delamination.

Determine the extent of the damage from inside the van, transfer the information to the underside, drill a series of 8mm holes through the first layer of ply ONLY these should be centred at 200mm over the whole area, now drill 6mm pilot holes through the insulation until you just touch the upper ply NOT through, mix the 2 part adhesive carefully and load into caulking gun supplied with kit, the mixture will stay usable for about an hour, push the plastic probe into the hole until it touches the upper ply then pull it back a 1/4", pump the adhesive into the floor four or five pulls should do it you will feel the pressure build depending on the severity of the de-lam in that area, work your way across all the holes one line at a time, when injection is complete, place boards inside van and place weights on to apply an even pressure across the reworked area, place plugs into holes, and leave for 24/48 hours. DO NOT inject to close to original joins in the floor!!! Make sure you clean all equipment with the supplied solvent within the hour. The kit is available from www.theglue.co.uk .

 

You can also find delamination repair kits on ebay.

 

Here's how Brian Davies did the delamination repair step by step, with pictures Click_here . 

 



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