Looking to buy a second hand caravan. Went to look at one the weekend, on the las couple of services it gave the damp readings. It was between 12 and 14 at all the points in the caravan. I read a post here where all caravans would have a damp reading. The van we seen had been stored indoors for the last year. Are these readings acceptable. Are diy damp meters worth buying. Although I wouldn’t be happy with someone shoving prongs into my caravan. How else would an inexperienced person check for damp? Thanks
I have something akin to this. Very happy with it👌
Brennenstuhl Moisture Detector MD (Moisture Meter for wood/walls/building material, with LCD Display) anthracite/yellow.......GOOGLE..Amazon.
Check my van regularly.. Good enough for us novices, for the cost of a couple of coffee's.
I suppose the dealers have an all singing all dancing variant when buying a van off us, however For a guide, its good enough. Leaves no marks where the prong have been👍
Caravan Moisture Meter Results
0 – 15%: The surface is dry, no damp present.
15-20%: Make a note of the area, check again in a few months.
20-25%: Area needs further damp investigation.
25-30%: There would appear to be water ingress into the caravan.
Above 30%: Immediate action needs to be taken.
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Remember, if you buy something you bought it, not brought it.
This is the guidance notes from a NCC/AWS damp report, so about as an authoritative source as likely to find.
Report Guidance Notes.
Moisture levels between 0 and 15% - No cause for concern
Moisture levels between 15 and 20% - May require further investigation. Compare with average readings and consider a recheck of the area in three months
Moisture levels between 20 and 25% - Will identify areas possibly needing remedial work. There may be signs of water ingress or evidence of moisture. Compare with average readings and consider a recheck of the area in three months.
Moisture levels between 25 and 30% - indicates that moisture ingress is occurring, and remedial action is necessary
Moisture levels more than 30% - Indicates that structural damage is probable and deterioration inevitable. Remedial action is necessary
Some service engineers write the actual percentage reading for all points measured on the report, others just tick or write OK if below damaging levels.
There's always a debate as to whether any two or more meters will give the same reading from the same spot at any given time, probably going to be a bit of variation, especially between different brands. My Extech replicated very closely the readings taken by the service engineer with a professional grade meter, so that was reassuring about it's accuracy.
Always worth doing a damp check on a van before purchase, damp is very destructive and expensive to have professionally repaired, if extensive it's usually the economic write off for a older van! A dry stored van that has not been exposed to rain for some considerable time may have dried out sufficiently, even if it did have a leak, to give a good 'OK' reading! You would need to be very carefully looking for other signs as well, such as water staining and soft/spongy areas that should be solid. A damp musty smell on one hand can simply be cold stale air, but on the other hand a truly damp van will not necessarily smell damp! Smell alone is not a sufficiently good indicator.
A professional mobile caravan engineer will come to the van and do a pre-purchase check of all critical points, including damp, for usually around £100, that is a wise investment if you are considering spending thousands, and he will know what to look for. Often the inspection will get you a discount on the next service with them. You can find an approved engineer here: https://www.approvedworkshops.co.uk/find-approved-workshop
One of the things that would make me a bit wary is the fact that it has been stored undercover for some time. It would inevitably have low damp readings as the only thing that could affect it would be condensation. There is every possibility that if it were left outside in a good rainstorm, it could leak like a sieve. Why was it stored undercover for a year then offered up for sale? It could be that's what they always did with it when they were using it, or it could be that they know it had serious damp problems and they stored it undercover to allow it to dry out before selling it. I do have a very suspicious nature though.
That’s the report I seen on previous post. Having not been used during covid shutdown and stored indoors these readings will make me stay away from this one. And invest in damp meter. Thanks for reply.
Readings of 12-14 wouldn't bother us at all, we would look at it as a very good reading, as most caravans wouldn't be much less than that even stored indoors. It has been a very wet winter/spring and there is always moisture in the air, our caravan had a reading of less than 10 in April and had not been opened up for 7 months.
Quote: Originally posted by Rob and Tina on 24/5/2021
Readings of 12-14 wouldn't bother us at all, we would look at it as a very good reading, as most caravans wouldn't be much less than that even stored indoors. It has been a very wet winter/spring and there is always moisture in the air, our caravan had a reading of less than 10 in April and had not been opened up for 7 months.
Tina
They wouldn't bother me either if I knew the caravan had been out in the open all that time, but if it has been stored inside for a year I might be wary. I would expect a very low reading in even a very leaky caravan that had been kept in the dry for a year. It's had plenty of time to dry out.
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 24/5/2021
One of the things that would make me a bit wary is the fact that it has been stored undercover for some time. It would inevitably have low damp readings as the only thing that could affect it would be condensation. There is every possibility that if it were left outside in a good rainstorm, it could leak like a sieve. Why was it stored undercover for a year then offered up for sale? It could be that's what they always did with it when they were using it, or it could be that they know it had serious damp problems and they stored it undercover to allow it to dry out before selling it. I do have a very suspicious nature though.
Exactly, Colin. Those were my immediate thoughts as I started to read the original posting.
I think I would probably walk away from this one myself as, like you, I am a bit of a suspicious "you know what".
Just an update. No new to me caravan yet. I bought a damp meter and checked me van. I couldn’t wait to be honest. Highest reading was 14.6. The lowest was 10. My van had not been used since September 2020. And been stored inside for years. Not bad readings for a 20 year old van I suppose.
I'd suggest being very careful. My father-in-law bought a second hand caravan last year and had damp problems, it turns out the seals had gone and water was coming in. He sold it on after a year taking a loss.
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 24/5/2021
One of the things that would make me a bit wary is the fact that it has been stored undercover for some time. It would inevitably have low damp readings as the only thing that could affect it would be condensation. There is every possibility that if it were left outside in a good rainstorm, it could leak like a sieve. Why was it stored undercover for a year then offered up for sale? It could be that's what they always did with it when they were using it, or it could be that they know it had serious damp problems and they stored it undercover to allow it to dry out before selling it. I do have a very suspicious nature though.
If it was me, I'd be left going by my gut in this case. I'm sure due to C*vid etc, loads of people have kept their vans in storage instead of using them so it didn't strike me as particuarly controversial. However, if i feel any unexplained suspicion, I always walk away from significant deals. It's not really an honerable trait, but I do tend to make assumptions about people, but they often turn out to be right..causing me in the past to say "why didn't i listen to myself".
I'd ask straight out why it's been undercover, and if you're not 100% happy with the person/answer, walk away. The right one will present itself.
Option 3 is getting it checked over by an expert, which I would do when buying any van/car personally. Relatviely small sum for priceless peace of mind.
Knowing that damp is one of the biggest caravan-killers, I'd rather buy one that I know has been out in the open over the past 3 to 4 months at least. How can you check a caravan for damp if it has spent the past year under cover for whatever reason? Even an expert couldn't. It may appear to be perfectly dry inside, so you buy it and take it home, then the first time we have a down-pour you discover that it leaks like a sieve!
The reason for it having been stored undercover may be perfectly genuine, and it may be a perfectly good, dry van, but personally I wouldn't want to take that chance. Being stored under cover for a year would put me off, and I probably wouldn't even go and look at it. But that's just me, and as I said, I do have a suspicious nature.
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 24/5/2021
One of the things that would make me a bit wary is the fact that it has been stored undercover for some time. It would inevitably have low damp readings as the only thing that could affect it would be condensation. There is every possibility that if it were left outside in a good rainstorm, it could leak like a sieve. Why was it stored undercover for a year then offered up for sale? It could be that's what they always did with it when they were using it, or it could be that they know it had serious damp problems and they stored it undercover to allow it to dry out before selling it. I do have a very suspicious nature though.
This is exactly what has been going through my mind as I have been reading down through this post. A reading of 12-14 in a van that has been outside in all weathers would be fine but the fact that this van has been stored indoors for a year makes me feel a bit suspicious. It may be nothing and it may have always been stored indoors but the other alternative is that it has deliberately been stored indoors in order to dry it our and give a ‘good’ reading to an unsuspecting purchaser.
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Topic: Buying a second hand caravan. Damp?
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