Quote: Originally posted by stellamylove on 15/9/2010
Is it just one type of curtain hook that a dutch store is selling at inflated prices and has made a deal with the uk store so they wont send you one?
No just like Obelink, it is quite a few models.
Just remember that Obelink is a store and not a web store so anything they choose to ship is a bonus
And some things they wont even ship within Holland.
I dont represent Obelink or work for them or anything but I have said my piece and am done.
Angie
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Quote: Originally posted by weetabixface on 15/9/2010
that's enough obelink/belltent chat, isn't it time for another deltas thread/square go
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Never used Deltas and never had a problem. However, I expect a manufacturer in China might start making something very similar and a lot cheaper before long, and no doubt Rob will then take action to ban the sale of it in the UK, you know, to protect his product. And of course we won't be allowed to buy it from overseas. Oh dear, it's so unfair
Quote: Originally posted by petemillis on 15/9/2010
Quote: Originally posted by weetabixface on 15/9/2010that's enough obelink/belltent chat, isn't it time for another deltas thread/square go
W
Never used Deltas and never had a problem. However, I expect a manufacturer in China might start making something very similar and a lot cheaper before long, and no doubt Rob will then take action to ban the sale of it in the UK, you know, to protect his product. And of course we won't be allowed to buy it from overseas. Oh dear, it's so unfair
Hardly a fair comparison. How about, if an individual decided to start selling nylon Delta pegs in Holland, for about 25% more, and Rob was happy to continue and send the steel ones to customers there - and everywhere else in the EU - via his internet store, but from that point on refused point blank to send the yellow nylon ones to his Dutch customers, to protect the interests of the other retailer.
More like it? (Apologies to Rob for dragging him into this! It gets bad enough with the Delta peg threads! )
If Belltent don't have a viable long-term business plan then they may well go under eventually, as has already been suggested on these boards and seems to be the primary concern of some people who have posted. I can't get worked up about that potential, because a) they are simply acting as internet-sales middle men at the end of the day, and profiting from the present interest in bell tent sales courtesy of an agreement which has created a UK monopoly in their favour, and b) it's not likely to adversely affect the workforce who actually manufacture these things.
I've actually found this thread interesting because I've learned a bit more about the nuts and bolts of the matter, which is what healthy debate is all about, eh?
So, when do we start petitioning Go Outdoors to stock these Hypercamp tents, then?!
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Quote: Originally posted by erroutdoors on 16/9/2010
Quote: Originally posted by petemillis on 15/9/2010
Quote: Originally posted by weetabixface on 15/9/2010that's enough obelink/belltent chat, isn't it time for another deltas thread/square goW
Never used Deltas and never had a problem. However, I expect a manufacturer in China might start making something very similar and a lot cheaper before long, and no doubt Rob will then take action to ban the sale of it in the UK, you know, to protect his product. And of course we won't be allowed to buy it from overseas. Oh dear, it's so unfair
Hardly a fair comparison. How about, if an individual decided to start selling nylon Delta pegs in Holland, for about 25% more, and Rob was happy to continue and send the steel ones to customers there - and everywhere else in the EU - via his internet store, but from that point on refused point blank to send the yellow nylon ones to his Dutch customers, to protect the interests of the other retailer.
More like it? (Apologies to Rob for dragging him into this! It gets bad enough with the Delta peg threads! )
That would be fully understandable. Rob (sorry Rob!) would be well within his rights to solely supply the distributor in Holland. If someone offers to act as a distributor, and there is a good likelihood of them being able to sell larger quantities, then it is easier and more sensible for the supplier to supply in bulk to the distributor, and let the distributor have the hassle of doing the selling. It would then be unreasonable and unfair to the distributor for Rob (sorry Rob) to also sell directly to that country. If that distributor only wanted to sell nylon pegs, then Rob would be well within his rights to sell stainless steel pegs directly, but refuse to sell nylon.
Quote: Originally posted by petemillis on 16/9/2010
Quote: Originally posted by erroutdoors on 16/9/2010
Quote: Originally posted by petemillis on 15/9/2010
Quote: Originally posted by weetabixface on 15/9/2010that's enough obelink/belltent chat, isn't it time for another deltas thread/square goW
Never used Deltas and never had a problem. However, I expect a manufacturer in China might start making something very similar and a lot cheaper before long, and no doubt Rob will then take action to ban the sale of it in the UK, you know, to protect his product. And of course we won't be allowed to buy it from overseas. Oh dear, it's so unfair
Hardly a fair comparison. How about, if an individual decided to start selling nylon Delta pegs in Holland, for about 25% more, and Rob was happy to continue and send the steel ones to customers there - and everywhere else in the EU - via his internet store, but from that point on refused point blank to send the yellow nylon ones to his Dutch customers, to protect the interests of the other retailer.
More like it? (Apologies to Rob for dragging him into this! It gets bad enough with the Delta peg threads! )
That would be fully understandable. Rob (sorry Rob!) would be well within his rights to solely supply the distributor in Holland. If someone offers to act as a distributor, and there is a good likelihood of them being able to sell larger quantities, then it is easier and more sensible for the supplier to supply in bulk to the distributor, and let the distributor have the hassle of doing the selling. It would then be unreasonable and unfair to the distributor for Rob (sorry Rob) to also sell directly to that country. If that distributor only wanted to sell nylon pegs, then Rob would be well within his rights to sell stainless steel pegs directly, but refuse to sell nylon.
Simples, init?
Yep, like I said earlier, I think this thread has cleared up the nuts and bolts of it, but I think in that scenario some Dutch customers might then raise the question of why Rob could manage to supply that market with the steel pegs, yet prefer to sell his - perhaps more popular - nylon pegs via an agent, when already in the business of shipping and providing good service himself (again, apologies to Rob, who I'm sure trades without the need for overseas distributors who have made themselves a nice little business out of his products by adding a little 'spin').
I think you make a good point when you say:
'If someone offers to act as a distributor, and there is a good likelihood of them being able to sell larger quantities, then it is easier and more sensible for the supplier to supply in bulk to the distributor...'
Can't argue with that, and so the more people who buy from Belltent, the more likelihood suppliers are going to keep that agreement in place with Obelink; not to supply the UK market with certain models of tent whilst happily shipping other models.
So, I guess you pays your money and you takes your choice on this one, until market forces decree otherwise (except, of course, the buyers are in fact dictating those market forces!).
At the end of the day, do Belltent provide a better (or different) service to Obelink? In these days of a global market, would most UK buyers be just as happy ordering a tent via the internet from Holland (or Ireland, for that matter), rather than paying a premium to get the same product from a UK-based internet salesman?(And yes, I do realise that N.I. is in the UK, just thought I'd throw that back into the mix as a reminder that we all like the best deal possible, to save our own hard-earned pennies.)
It would be interesting to know, if anyone who has already purchased direct from Belltent would have been just as happy buying the same product direct from Obelink, had the option been available to them.
There is another alternative; buy one second hand, like me! I bought a 5m Bell and liked it, but not as much as my Cabanon pyramid, so sold it on again. Didn't lose much money on it because I'd never paid the higher price in the first place, so I was happy and I'd had the chance of trying out a tent I'd fancied without breaking the bank.
Angie. If you ever need anything bought from the uk to be delivered to you I'd be happy to get it here and send it off to you.
I can sort of understand why some companies refuse to deliver overseas. It can be a real faff to work out postage costs and finding lost parcels if you ship a lot out. Trouble is it makes it incredibly inconvenient to anyone who wants to buy their product outside of their country.
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(Apologies to Rob for dragging him into this! It gets bad enough with the Delta peg threads! )
