Where people talk about the 2014 groundsheet at 5,000HH not being up to scratch.
The 2015 version seems to be listed as having a 10,000HH ground sheet. Is anyone with experience of these 2 versions able to confirm that the groundsheet of the 2015 version has been upgraded please?
Unfortunately nowhere around me has them in, so I am unable to check myself.
Many thanks
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The 2013 and 2014 models were green polycotton with black groundsheets. The 2015 models are brown polycotton with grey groundsheets. I guess they changed to grey to lighten up the tent inside. The green models had light grey roofs, the brown ones are all brown so are darker inside.
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Does anyone know if the curtains in the new 2015 Concorde have zipper closures. Or have Outwell changed from zips to velcro as in other models ?
Are there any other changes ?
2015 version has zips, all previous years have velcro tabs. Other than the colour change, the other differences are the 2015 comes with a zip on porch canopy (which cannot be retro fitted to earlier years models) and there is a clip in cargo net in the living area ceiling for extra storage.
Hi Jim1977, thanks for the info re zip curtains. I was also interested in the groundsheet query, so thanks again. I am looking into getting 2015 ConcordeM with an Awning (bathtub zipped groundsheet + door) Tent RRP at £1,199 and Awning RRP £699. I am nowhere near an Outwell outlet. Is the quality as it should be ? (I have asked Outwell for fabric samples, but Outwell cannot do this - I have also asked Q's from suppliers, difficult getting quality answers - should I just plump for Karsten. The Concorde does have its advantages - I am just loath to pay £2k for a tent that is made in China ! But if the quality is there then why not?
Hi Charlesmachmer
We have owned 2 Outwell tents, a 2010 Bear Lake 6, a really tough poled polycotton tent, and a 2014 Harrier XL, the closest Outwell sell to an inflatable version of the Bear Lake. The build quality and finish of both were good, no faults or disappointing cheap components etc. Both also performed perfectly in wind and rain. We went to this years NEC camping show and still felt the Harrier was the best tent there. I don't think you'd be disappointed with the Concorde, although I guess nothing is guaranteed and there is always the chance of getting one that has slipped through quality control. If that happened a shop like Cross Camping or the like would see you right I'm sure.
Regarding the Karsten, yes they are more expensive, but not as much as you might think. A 350 pod would be about the same price as the Concorde, and you would get 2 awnings for a little bit more than the Concorde awning. For that you get something made to order in Holland to your choice of colour and with any extra windows etc that you want to personalise it, and a 5 year guarantee. They are designed to last 20 years, whereas the Outwell maybe 10 years. They will repair it if needs be and you can add to it as your needs change or funds allow. The design has been tried and tested for about 30 years and the UK dealer Camping Travel Store is run by a lovely chap James who is a pleasure to deal with.
They are very different tents though, the Karsten is more rugged but also more basic, with less "lifestyle" comforts than the Outwell. It's such a lot to spend on either option I really think it would be worth the time and fuel to visit Gary Cross at Cross Camping in Hertfordshire on a weekend that coincides with a Camping Travel Store Karsten display (which are held at Cross Camping) and see both tents.
Sorry for the long reply, but in short, both are great tents and either of the dealers mentioned above have been first class from my dealings with them.
Thanks very much for the information & comments,...... Appreciated,...... I will take your advice and make the several hour trip South so that I can see for myself. Your advice has been very useful.
No probs, it would be best to call Gary at Cross Camping first to make sure everything you want to see is up (sure it will be by the April Karsten show). It may be that he has the Harrier and Tomcat up rather than the Concorde and Hornet, to show each design in each fabric. Worst case scenario you'd have to look at the Tomcat to judge the layout and space of the Concorde, then look at the Harrier to see the Polycotton fabric and colour.
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A few pics of my Concorde M with awning; I did a quick test pitch on the drive today.
A few minutes later....
and a good few minutes later still...
I really like it! Very easy and quick to put up and take down. Much much easier than my previous tent (Kampa Holkham, like a Filey Classic). The only bit I struggled with was zipping the awning on, at the middle / highest part, but I'm sure with practice and better technique that will become easier. I didn't bother trying the canopy business - can't see us using that very much any way.
I had seen the tent at the NEC so knew what to expect. I hadn't seen the awning though, and that's better than I expected (bigger and so more useable).
Quality seems really really good. I had a good long check over it and can't see any issues. I'd be happier if the supports over the vents were less deformed (maybe they'll sort themselves out?) and also if the colour match was better between the awning and tent (it's very close but not perfect)- although we do intend using the tent without awning a lot, so maybe the tent will fade more anyway?
I've really enjoyed reading this thread, so thanks for everyones input.
I've been looking around online at prices and they all seem the same. I think this is typical for high end stuff; the OEM issues price guidance, and if any reseller goes against it they will no longer supply them. I've seen it before in a different industry. It's just business I suppose.
I did notice a way around this though. Currently the EUR exchange rate is very favorable, and after speaking with Michelle at http://www.be-wak.fr/ I've decided to order the Harrier XL package. It's EUR 2,089 which is about £1,500. Delivery is free and i'll use the credit card so it's covered.
It's a shame Outwell insist on making UK shops charge such high prices. In my case at least, the UK shop has lost out becasue of this.
Quote: Originally posted by Extremebiker0 on 03/4/2015
I've really enjoyed reading this thread, so thanks for everyones input.
I've been looking around online at prices and they all seem the same. I think this is typical for high end stuff; the OEM issues price guidance, and if any reseller goes against it they will no longer supply them. I've seen it before in a different industry. It's just business I suppose.
I did notice a way around this though. Currently the EUR exchange rate is very favorable, and after speaking with Michelle at http://www.be-wak.fr/ I've decided to order the Harrier XL package. It's EUR 2,089 which is about £1,500. Delivery is free and i'll use the credit card so it's covered.
It's a shame Outwell insist on making UK shops charge such high prices. In my case at least, the UK shop has lost out becasue of this.
As above - thanks for the info, all my questions answered with a quick search. Did wonder if you ordered from that website as it is ALOT cheaper than buying in UK due to exchange rate (if you can get use a decent card).
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Topic: Outwell Concorde Groundsheet 2014 vs 2015
