Quote: Originally posted by Mitchamitri on 20/7/2021
I think the interesting thing is if you own a site you can legitimately make it YOUR law, as much as you can be adults only, ban single sex parties etc. If you want to ban blue cars or poaching eggs before 8am you are perfectly entitled to.
That is very true. It's their land and they can impose whatever rules they decide. If we don't like their rules, we don't have to go there, we can simply go somewhere else. I believe that rules are often imposed by experience. If a site owner has had a particular problem in the past, they will impose a rule they hope will prevent it happening again.
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From a "human rights" point of view its interesting that you can ban certain "protected legal characteristics" from your site even if by law you cant use them to define who you would employ, or by law how the police treat people - age, sexuality, religion, colour etc. .....I assume you can't ban people by race, sexuality etc. Or can you? I seem to remember a case from a few years ago of a strictly christian (a certain kind of christian as its quite possible to be devout and tolerant - but thats not the point) - B&B where they turned away a gay couple who had booked. I cant remember what happened to that case?
I mean - Adults Only Site.........why, exactly, do you want an adults only site? There's connotations to it that imply a certain sense of compliance that other non conventional parties would not be welcomed.
"The ban does not apply in respect of children aged under 18. This means that people and organisations can continue to provide different services at different rates or on different terms and conditions for children of different ages, or can refuse to serve children – for example, 'no children' hotels can continue as now and newsagents can still restrict the number of children entering their shops.
This ban does not cover age discrimination by employers against employees – such discrimination was banned several years ago and this is not affected by the ban in the provision of services. "
Quote: Originally posted by Mitchamitri on 20/7/2021
From a "human rights" point of view its interesting that you can ban certain "protected legal characteristics" from your site even if by law you cant use them to define who you would employ, or by law how the police treat people - age, sexuality, religion, colour etc. .....I assume you can't ban people by race, sexuality etc. Or can you? I seem to remember a case from a few years ago of a strictly christian (a certain kind of christian as its quite possible to be devout and tolerant - but thats not the point) - B&B where they turned away a gay couple who had booked. I cant remember what happened to that case?
I mean - Adults Only Site.........why, exactly, do you want an adults only site? There's connotations to it that imply a certain sense of compliance that other non conventional parties would not be welcomed.
I'm really not sure what the answer is about your first paragraph, except that it could be a case of one person's human rights conflicting with another's. I have always believed that any retailer has a right to serve or not serve whoever they choose, although I could be wrong. I'm not a lawyer.
Regarding your second paragraph, There are some people who want to go to a site that is peaceful and quiet, without kids running about, screaming, kicking footballs about, riding bikes over their pitches etc. Hence "adults only" campsites to cater for them. I have 7 grandkids, and I love them all, but I know that one of them would probably be a nightmare on a campsite. His parents aren't into camping or caravanning though.
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Colin
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There are legally protected characteristics in employment it's very interesting how these characteristics don't appear to apply in the wider world. I think they apply more generally in wider law (actually they must do as the Equality Rights Act is all-reaching). These characteristics are:
age.
disability.
gender reassignment.
marriage and civil partnership.
pregnancy and maternity.
race.
religion or belief.
sex.
Sexual orientation
It's ok to use age and sex to dictate who is allowed on your campsite based on a prejudice (sometimes but not always built on experience) about a certain group of people. Its ok to be biased agaist young people so long as they are under 18, but it doesn't address the groups of same sex people etc.
It's an interesting subject as to why it is ok to select based on qualities that are assumed against a type - much as it's assumed kids run round screaming kicking footballs, or bouncers at the door of a pub wont let in blokes in footie shirts, or the assumptions around trade vans etc.
This is the legal case, I found it:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25119158
Also interesting as "Adults only" site must allow people from aged 18 - you know, the ones who have their music on all hours and fall over your guy ropes drunk then throw up in the loos.
Yes you do make some very good points there Mitchamitri. I agree it is an interesting subject. Human rights is an incredibly complex subject and must be an absolute minefield to administer, I'm glad I don't have to do it.
What I have always wondered is what happens when one person's human rights come into direct conflict with another person's. The subject is so complex it must happen frequently. I think that is the case here. The site owner surely has the right to accept or decline a booking from anyone who wishes to come onto their land.
When I worked on the buses many years ago I was told by the company that I had an absolute right to refuse to carry anyone I wanted, but advised not to give a reason. I was told to just politely refuse them access.
Yes "Adults only" must allow people from the age of 18, but most will not allow groups of 18 - 25 year olds and most have rules about noise after a certain time. The site we have just come from had notices up saying that noise must be kept to a minimum between 9pm and 9am, and they weren't Adults Only.
It must have been very difficult - and potentially a minefield - if you needed to refuse someone who had a protected characteristic (obviously for a reason not related to that characteristic).
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Fortunately the only person I ever had to refuse was someone who was extremely drunk and being abusive to other people waiting to get on. I was actually thanked by the other passengers for not allowing him onboard.
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