I read the Japanese posts regarding the safety hazard event.
The particular version of the cooker was a Korean make called "GoldStone".
Very similar to the "YellowStone" model I've seen in a local Sunday Market.
Due to safety worries regarding the quality VS cost, I decided to purchase the popular Camping Gaz Bistro, and genuine gas cartridges for it.
So far, we've not had any issues with it. The build quality compared to the YellowStone models I looked at, is superior.
Probably there will be a YellowStone user who has not had any issues.
HOW they are used, may well be the deciding factor regarding safety issues.
e.g. using a pan with a greater diameter then recommended, or incorrect alignment/connection of the gas cylinder etc.
That said, I feel sad for Kaori and family, and hope no one else suffers injury or loss due to similar events.
Kind regards James
------------- In the beginning there was darkness.
Then I bought a tent.
I'm not destitute, I'm just poor.
Hi Bob and your here to tell the tale. So it's safe to boil a kettle without keeling over with carbon monoxide poisoning. Did you have your house well ventilated
Heather
ROFL...yes, opened all the windows and switched the cooker on with a long stick
the thing is the op lumped the cookers and heaters in and stated they can go bang,now i can see the cooker being miss used and going bang but is there any info on the same happening to the heaters?
The Market stall selling the YellowStone cooker, also sells the heater (Yellowstone). I'm not certain the output from it would justify the cost of the butane cylinder.
Despite having a good tent, the heat loss would still outweigh the use of it. I feel the psychological effect could persuade folk it is useful.
For my wife and I, we'd rather use a 'Crackle Log' on a site that allows them, or a hot drink of coffee or tea and thermal base layer.
Regards James
------------- In the beginning there was darkness.
Then I bought a tent.
I'm not destitute, I'm just poor.
I have never heard of YellowStone make. It seems to me the moral of this story, "Is to buy and use a reputable make which we all know of and buy from a reputable camping shop, rather than from a market stall" If buying from E-bay go for the well known brands.
It goes to show "read the instructions" before use. Because mine clearly told me, not to use oversized pans, and how to insert the cartridges properly.
Quote: Originally posted by James Watt on 19/3/2011
Despite having a good tent, the heat loss would still outweigh the use of it. I feel the psychological effect could persuade folk it is useful.
Regards James
Spot on there James, heating a tent is a waste of time and money! How well do people think tents are insulated? You wouldn't heat your house with all the doors and windows open now would you?
Quote: Originally posted by Gareth29 on 20/3/2011
Spot on there James, heating a tent is a waste of time and money! How well do people think tents are insulated? You wouldn't heat your house with all the doors and windows open now would you?
Oh well, in that case, no one would ever have a camp fire, because it's outside and all the heat just disperses.
When I was a Boy Scout, the Camp Fire (usually large) provided psychological comfort as well as warmth.
It was always outside because we used commonsense, most of the heat went vertically, but the sideways radiant heat provided sufficient warmth before bedtime.
Our annual camp was in the Summer, therefore keeping warm was not the main object.
These days at the campsites, having a small fire (where allowed) is still mainly for providing psychological comfort, as well as taking the chill off.
Tradition plays a part in this, it provides a focal point for groups to enjoy a get together before retiring for the night.
My wife often open the windows when we have the central heating on at home, it allows oxygen in.
But all this is a bit 'off topic'.
Regards James
------------- In the beginning there was darkness.
Then I bought a tent.
I'm not destitute, I'm just poor.
"Really, I don't know of anyone that uses these suitcase cookers in their house".
You do now...I sometimes use mine in the house when we have a power cut because I am all electric and it's the only way I can boil a kettle
We had to use ours in the house too when we had the kitchen extended and overhauled (Oct - Dec 2004). It was a building site for much of the time such that we couldn't even go through it. We had to cook in the utility room using the Campingaz suitcase stove and carry our food outside and back in the front door to the lounge. The suitcase stove seemed the only practical option given the space and equipment we had available. We would have otherwise had nothing hot to eat for several months. Our first meal back in the main kitchen using our nice new oven was Christmas dinner. We never had an incident during all that time and given the weather most of the time and the fact that the boiler outlet is outside the back door so its not a good idea to leave the door open the ventilation was provided by the dog flap.
We didn't know that there was any risk with the unit then, but it all worked perfectly.
Helen
------------- Love our set-up and need no more tents or gear, so trying to stop looking!
Quote: Originally posted by Gareth29 on 20/3/2011Spot on there James, heating a tent is a waste of time and money! How well do people think tents are insulated? You wouldn't heat your house with all the doors and windows open now would you?
Oh well, in that case, no one would ever have a camp fire, because it's outside and all the heat just disperses.
See how silly your comment is?
No not really, thats just your opinion and that was mine. Just because you don't agree does not make your opinion right in anyway, nor does it mine. Calling people silly for their opinions is just plain rude. If someone believes in a certain religion for example and you do not then does that make them silly? No, it is their personal opinion on something.
This thread seems to be generating rather agitated exchanges and does not seem to have moved on much from the original post from where this thread was lifted.
For what ever reason there will always be people who dislike these units and will go out of their way to tell you how bad they are and then there are the one's who think they are great. At the end of the day we just need to understand that they do need to be used with a degree of caution and some common sense.
After all these units have been sold in their thousands in numerous countries (Including the USA with their Suing culture) and have been used on thousands of campsites every day for quite a few years now and apart from the odd incident that can sadly be found on the Internet it appears that they have not been withdrawn on grounds of safety and are still being sold by companies who are happy to put their name on them like Towsure, Go Outdoors and even Campingaz.
to all the armchair experts who phoo phoo'ed the posts and stand firm in claiming it never happens and some of us are/have been scaremongering see the post below.
no doubt a contra pint will soon be posted
Thank you
received from DSB
As a caravanner, I don't normally use this particular list, but thought I ought to share this. Incidentally, before I go any further, luckily no-one was hurt.
Went out for a meal on Sunday night and just as we approached the barrier to the campsite, on the way back we heard a bang and saw flames. I abandoned the car and ran over to the area - fortunately two or three others got their first and had put the fire out by using water in aquarolls from a nearby caravan. A tent had gone up in flames. How lucky it was that the occupants had all gone over to the toilet block.
The explosion and fire was caused by a gas cylinder - one of the small types that look a bit like an aerosol spay can, but just a little 'fatter'. I don't know the make and the details were a little hazy, but I think the family left a small gas fire on while they went to the toilet block. I don't know if it was a fault in the cylinder/fire, or if the gas fire was too close to something that caught fire that ultimately caused the explosion.
Fortunately the family were with friends, and so had somewhere to sleep, but it was a bit of a shock to everyone, and must have been devistating for the family concerned. I was really sorry for them. Pete, the warden was soon on the scene and checked everything over.
I post this here because it happened to a tent, but is just a reminder to us all, me included, to check the safety of gas cylinders and gas appliances. It's a bit easier in a caravan, because gas appliances should be checked at the annual service - but then we rely on the service department and their integrity.
Please be careful everyone!
Post last edited on 04/05/2010 10:05:29
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I've only really scanned through this thread but it does just seem to be going around in circles somewhat..
I've no real opinion either way(..as we've got various types of stoves,inc' a couple of Gelert suitcase types),other than that obviously care should be taken what ever the make/model of gas appliance..especailly around tents..
..and I don't think anyone has said that they are an "armchair expert",they've just posted their experiences and /or views(..and after all they aren't the ones who have searched the internet,so as to posted link after link ..)
That last post/quote by the way..did contain rather a lot of "I don't know" and "I think"..
"Ithink family left small gas fire on"
"Idon't know make/model"
"Idon't know if fault of cylinder/fire..or was next to something that caught fire..?"
(I once saw a Ford Mondeo crashed in a ditch..now I could say that,
..I think the brakes may've failed
...I don't know if the wheels had fallen off.
..and I don't know whetherthe steering had locked up..
But I would not know any of them for sure )
Just don't buy cheap'n'nasty gas appliances,what ever design they are
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Topic: portable heaters and cookers going bang
So it's safe to boil a kettle without keeling over with carbon monoxide poisoning. Did you have your house well ventilated
. Our first meal back in the main kitchen using our nice new oven was Christmas dinner. We never had an incident during all that time and given the weather most of the time and the fact that the boiler outlet is outside the back door so its not a good idea to leave the door open the ventilation was provided by the dog flap.
