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suncamp shadow 800 or haven 800  been looking at both but i am starting to like the haven more as they are almost the same 

i have a 2yr old so space is a big thing for when it rains and we go with frends a bit with there 1yr old a porch/ shelter would be helpfull for when it rains ??

which one would you go for or say is better  ?

Hi we have a haven 8oo without a sig, and a 2007 haven 800 with sig ,and we invested in a canopy which is great for cooking in bad weather and it means you can open the door in rainy weather without the wet getting into the tent,definately worth the extra 70 pounds and in the sunshine it helps with the shade. We use the older tent when we take the dogs or go to a music festival it has stood up to some bad storms with the help of delta pegs.as for room we have seated 8 people inside with both bedrooms up,hope that helps. 

thats cool thank you

think we will be going with the haven 800 just trying to get one now went back to the camping show that had them and was told they were sold out and could not get any in as suncamp had run out which is a pain in the  but i am trying to find one some were  if any one knows anywere that has them please could you let me know as oh is starting top wind me up