Hi, I am travelling from Frieburg to Innsbrueck in Austria around the 25/26 th July, don't want to go into Switzerland anyone done this area and can let me know the best route, I am a car and caravan unit, thanks.
Ken
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You don't have to go into Switzerland at all but you do have the problem in that the Arlberg / St Anton Tunnel is closed both ways till November 15th.
The alternative routes is to go North East from the east end of Bodensee to Fussen then down over the Fernpass to the A12 and Innsbruck or make for Fussen cross country from Frieberg.
The other alternative is, if you have a well matched outfit, not too big a caravan, you can go from Bludenz over the Arlbergpass. To St Anton then a12 to Innsbruck. But please not caravans and lorries are not allowed over the pass at weekends from Saturdat 9am and Sunday 10pm.
We went over with our large twin axle from Wast to East last month and it was a boiling hot day got behind a very very slow lorry and having to go into first gear on the steepest part ended up boiling having to stop for an hour to let the car cool down.
DIPhil, thanks for the information, I will check out those routes, we are starting out from Rotterdam, going to Ruddesheim on Rhine, Frieburg, Innsbrueck, Venice, Lake Garda, Annecy area, up through France, Luxemberg then Delft before catching ferry back, so for us a big 8 week trip, and it's good of you to pass on your knowledge,
Kind regards
Ken
Yes it should be hopefully, I have done a lot in France and Spain, but only a few times in Germany and nothing further afield, so this will be a challenge, and a good experience .
Hi Dianne, the route above going from Bodensee to Fussen shows on AA autoroute as going across country, what are the roads like doing that for a large outfit? or should i go up to Memmingen from Bodensee and them down to Fussen?
also after Fern pass going down the 179 do i go onto the 189 to the A12 or turn towards Telfs then Innsbruck.
sorry to bother you but if you can help great, by the way the web site is very good you must have spent a great deal of time on it.
kind regards
Ken
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We've just come back from Bodensee/Fussen (and up to Berchtesgaden and Nuremburg).
The roads can be narrow and winding, especially near Linderhof -one of King Ludwig's palaces - and overheating could be a problem if the weather is beastly hot again.
If you are wanting to avoid Switzerland because of road tolls, then the Austrian roads are tolled too. The difference I think is that you can buy day, week or month 'vignettes' (this may be wrong so check first. We were travelling without a caravan and so I was reading the road signs at speed). Austrian petrol prices were cheap though so this couls set-off the cost of the vignette.
Edited to add that it's Austrian motorways that are tolled, not the normal roads.
Ken try putting the route into via Michelin where you can put with caravan into the search. I have no knowledge of this route as we always do the A12 and this year succumbed to going over the Arlbergpass.
The Austrian Vignette is €8.70 for 10 days just one for the outfit.
€25.30 for 2 months for outfit again. To read more go to tolltickets.com
Diesel (except for Luxembourg) is the cheapest in Europe 82p a litre last month
We came the other way a couple of weeks ago, from Innsbruck, over the Fern Pass and across to Freiburg. We've done it several times lately.
From Freiburg on the B31 to Titisee you'll find it uphill all the way, but nothing you should have bother with. Enough Dutchmen take their vans this way, and their usual towcar is a 1600 petrol Golf or Focus or something similar (Road Tax in Holland is incredibly expensive for a petrol car, and diesels are much dearer).
From Titisee to Geisingen is a good road. Geisingen to Stockach is Motorway, then the B31 is busy but OK to Freidrichshafen (Follow the signposts, not satnav here as there's been a landslip near the lake).
From Freidrichshafen to the A96 (Junction 3) the B31 is a good road, but very busy and there are very few laybys.
From A96 Junction 3 to the junction with the short A980 near Kempten, the B12 is a good road but mainly uphill (just long, not steep) to near Isny, where you start downhill again all the way to the Austrian Border on the A7 near Fussen.
From Fussen, over the Fern Pass and down to Nasserieth is very busy with trucks (because the Arlberg Tunnel is closed this year) but not paricularly steep. If my 1.7 diesel can make with a caravan so should yours! From Nasserieth towards Telfs is back up again higher than the Fern Pass, but a good road. The alternative looks more on the flat but we haven't tried it.
When you've done that and perhaps feel confident with the outfit, we'd go over the Reschia Pass to Italy rather than the Brenner, which we've found is rather more like the M25 on a hill - more stop than start!
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Thanks for that info shinytop it is certainly the best bet while the Arlberg Tunnel is closed.
The Arlbergpass is hairy with a large outfit especially going from East to West as only 2 proper lay-bys on the way up and both right at the top of steepest part. We managed the only other place a bit of waste ground on a sharp bend just past the covered area of the road. It was very busy bumper to bumper going both ways and lots of lorries. Very difficult to get out once the car cooled down. We waited till the traffic came to a standstill and then some nice Austrian driver let us out.
Quote: Originally posted by DiPhil on 06/7/2015
You don't have to go into Switzerland at all but you do have the problem in that the Arlberg / St Anton Tunnel is closed both ways till November 15th.
The alternative routes is to go North East from the east end of Bodensee to Fussen then down over the Fernpass to the A12 and Innsbruck or make for Fussen cross country from Frieberg.
The other alternative is, if you have a well matched outfit, not too big a caravan, you can go from Bludenz over the Arlbergpass. To St Anton then a12 to Innsbruck. But please not caravans and lorries are not allowed over the pass at weekends from Saturdat 9am and Sunday 10pm.
We went over with our large twin axle from Wast to East last month and it was a boiling hot day got behind a very very slow lorry and having to go into first gear on the steepest part ended up boiling having to stop for an hour to let the car cool down.
For more on the pass go to ASFING.At.
Hope this helps
Made a mistake we were travelling over the Arlbergpass East to West. Sorry.
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