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21/6/2006 at 4:39pm
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wlee driving in holland going in 5 weeks any tips about roundabouts .we are starting at ijmuiden then going to hilvarenbeek .wot are the roads like and road signs like

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21/6/2006 at 6:27pm
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Quote: Originally posted by alan parker on 21/6/2006


wlee driving in holland going in 5 weeks any tips about roundabouts .we are starting at ijmuiden then going to hilvarenbeek .wot are the roads like and road signs like

Roads...............long things with white lines and lots of traffic!And in Holland they all drive on the wrong side!

Sorry, couldn't resist  Usually wlee isn't on until later in the evening so needed to get rid of the sad blue face. He's bound to be along later though, unless he's away himself.



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22/6/2006 at 7:42pm
 Location: The Loire Valley - France
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I havn't seen Wlee for some time!

Anyone know if his OK?



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22/6/2006 at 11:06pm
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Just come back from Holland, had two fantastic weeks touring, had many great tips and suggestions from wlee, did a thanks a couple of days ago which he responded to, so he is about....anyway, roads  and signs great, far better than U.K had no problems whatsoever...diesel cheap too! have a great time, we enjoyed it so much hope to go back in September....

 

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23/6/2006 at 10:07am
 Location: Zoetermeer Holland
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Was a bit busy, no opportunity to be overhere regularly, not even late. Plus things are a bit more busy at home too due to a car accident of my OH.

Traffic signs largely are the same as in the UK. Most are harmonized in Europe now.
The regulations for roundabouts are a bit different than in the UK though. You will see many priority signs these days and 'shark teeth' on the road. These indicate if roundabout traffic has priority. Without any of those the roundabout is considered as a straight road by itself hence traffic from the right would have priority.
Now within cities they mostly changed to the UK-system with help of traffic signs reversing priority indicating that traffic on the roundabout now has priority.
But do watch whether cyclists have priority too or not on that particular roundabout! They are not consistent in this respect. Look at the traffic signs and 'sharks teeth'.

Something else: until recently 'slow' traffic would have to give way to 'fast' (motorized) traffic. This traffic regulation now also has changed. All traffic from the right, including cyclists' has priority, unless indicated otherwise by traffic signes (e.g. priority crossing).

For the remainder, about similar signs as in the UK. P for parking, triangles to warn for general or specific things. Speeds of course indicated in kilometers.
Max speed in town 50, unless a 30 km/h zone is indicated.
Motorways 120 km/h, but on long tracks 100 indicated or 80. Secondary roads 80 km/h max.

Hilvarenbeek is a beautuful area, by the way.

Have fun.


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23/6/2006 at 1:09pm
 Location: Essex Greater London
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Oooh sorry to hear about your OH car accident. Thought it was odd you're not being on more often.

Hope they're ok?



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23/6/2006 at 2:54pm
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She is more or less OK. Bruises are getting less. Ribcage and sternum still very sensitive, plus a nasty spot on the hips adn her back goes up and down a bit, but all in all this is nothing by what normally would have happened.
Safety belt can be seen printed in blue on her body, mild burns form the air bag: both did an excellent job.
She made a small mistake, but the other car was speeding. Hit her by some 110 kmh at least (IN town! on this place 70 km/h allowed), her car was from slow forward speed totally catapulted backward for about 20 mtrs, than up a high threshold to stop in the middle between both road parts, than he hit another car (BMW) and managed to turn that backwards too. The Road was closed for about 5 hrs for investigation of wrecks and tracks.
That should say enough.
You would not want to see the car wreck.
She has seen all machines in hospital, echoes, X-ray, CT scans etc etc.
The policewoman when calling two days later could only react with 'WHAT???' when she heard that nothing was broken.

So nasty accident, no more car, but all in all it seems that after the unfortunate factor of having an accident, at the moment of the hit all little angels sprung to help her to limit the personal consequences.

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23/6/2006 at 3:04pm
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Sounds awful Wlee but at least she is safe and on the road to recovery. It sounds like it could have been much, much worse. I hope she feels better soon.

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23/6/2006 at 3:08pm
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Oh thank heavens she's not toooooo badly injured. Sounds awful. W-a-y too many idiots on the roads these days.

Great news that the safety belt and air bag did their job so well though, even though they added to her injuries, they've prevented much worse!

Heart warming to hear about the good samaritans who ran to her aid.

Wish her well wlee. Take care



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23/6/2006 at 3:30pm
 Location: Zoetermeer Holland
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1. Yes it could have been much worse.

2. One cannot really say that safety belt and air bag added to the injuries. These bruises and 'underskin' wound(s) actually are proof that they did their work. It's kind of subsitute much smaller injury.

She developed a theory.
It was a few minutes after 24.00. So the guardian angels had fallen asleep. But at the moment of the hit the suddenly woke up in shock and all came flying in like Superman....

The other guy actually gets legal proceedings. The police booked him for an 'article 5 procedure': Dangerous driving with third party injury resulting. These proceedings let you meet the judge in 95% of the cases, so no fines to pay beforehand, nearly all in court.

I must say one thing: the Rover 1.4 was an excellent car as to the body (Motor rather sensitive). The safety cage was still more or less intact, hence no crushed legs etc.
You would not believe how small a car can get and still maintain inside space...

Fortunately she slowly is able to move around again, every day a little bit more. We made a nice cycling tour last weekend (feels good for her back) and she has been doing some driving again in my car already.
I will tell her your good wishes.

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23/6/2006 at 6:05pm
 Location: The Loire Valley - France
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Hi Wlee

SORRY to hear of your wifes accident, PLEASE give her our best wishes.



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23/6/2006 at 7:31pm
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I just did...
She (and me too) thanks you all for 'being with her'. Solidarity feels good...

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24/6/2006 at 2:48am
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Aw wlee.

Sorry to hear of the accident, best wishes for a very speedy recovery to your BETTER HALF lol, hope all returns to normal soon mate.



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26/6/2006 at 11:33am
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Mmm. I prefer 'other'. Maybe I am a bit more competitive than I thought, or is that the usual male/female rivalry?

Thanks, i will tell her.
No doubt she prefers 'Better Half'....

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