on news today, the sale of new non electric vehicles, to cease in 2030.
just 9 years to produce an electric car thats capable of towing a decent sized caravan for a reasonable distance, and a way to charge tens of thousands of them.
Buy a new diesel or turbo petrol car in 2029. Hybrid available until 2035 so trade in for a new hybrid SUV capable of towing before then. Should last 10years at least so caravanning as we know it does not end until at least 2045. By then electric cars should be at the stage where they fully charge in a minute for a 700mile range or we will have hydrogen fuel cell cars. Caravanning will never end...
Personally, I am not going to worry about this, partly because another 10 years, if I am still in this world, I can not imagine being able to consider caravanning or driving.
In any case, there is far too large an industry here for it to suddenly end. We have already seen on this forum, proposals by Alko for the battery powered tow caravan. This would be a caravan that powers itself so not reliant on the tow car engine power and controlled by link to the tow car electronics and controls.
Obviously, not road legal at present, but that could soon be changed.
We don’t need 9 years to start making them, because a number of capable models are already available and more are on the way.
In 9 years time these models will already be depreciated and on the secondhand market.
I can see the market for new petrol and diesel cars disappearing fast when more electric versions are available. After that, filling stations will start to disappear when their business dries up.
Buy a new diesel or turbo petrol car in 2029. Hybrid available until 2035 so trade in for a new hybrid SUV capable of towing before then. Should last 10years at least so caravanning as we know it does not end until at least 2045. By then electric cars should be at the stage where they fully charge in a
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but those cars will probably be taxed off the road
Quote: Originally posted by G#Winger on 14/11/2020
on news today, the sale of new non electric vehicles, to cease in 2030.
just 9 years to produce an electric car thats capable of towing a decent sized caravan for a reasonable distance, and a way to charge tens of thousands of them.
Not read when this will apply to HGVs, and not reading reviews of e-MHs yet - though I think I read the new VW electric campervan has a range of 80 miles? Not all train lines are electrified, no plans to electrify the two that I use; tractors & other agricultural machines will continue to use diesel too.
There are hydrogen powered trains in use in Germany and an experimental one is being tried out in the Midlands. If GM are to be believed most trucks and large vehicles will be hydrogen fuel cell powered together with rechargeable batteries. Nicola in the USA are pushing the ideas but I suspect it will still be the big vehicle manufacturers that will be the ones to bring products to fruition at a competitive price.
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I saw a film of an all electric HGV and it looked good. It was pulling a trailer that weighed 30 tonnes, my caravan is 1500kg so should be easy.
I want all electric cars powered by renewable energy as I like to enjoy fresh air and tho world as it is.
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Quote: Originally posted by Jesscar on 15/11/2020
We don’t need 9 years to start making them, because a number of capable models are already available and more are on the way.
In 9 years time these models will already be depreciated and on the secondhand market.
I can see the market for new petrol and diesel cars disappearing fast when more electric versions are available. After that, filling stations will start to disappear when their business dries up.
How many people would want to buy a second hand electric car knowing that within the near future they would need to replace all the batteries at great expense to themselves?
If the vehicle as under 5 years old many of us simply would not be able to afford to pay the high prices demanded by EVs.
Second hand market for petrol and diesel cars will probably really boom once they are banned from sale as new.
Electric car batteries are warrantied for 8yrs or 100k miles. So one can decide on that basis. Do you scrap the car after 8yrs or do you replace them & run the car for a total of 16yrs or more? Tbf a modern fossil fuel car is a dodgy buy at 6yrs old or more due to cost of possible repair bills.
While many of us lucky enough to be born baby boomers have money in the bank to buy their cars most new cars are put on the road with leasing deals & I would guess that is the future of car use so not quite as simple as just looking at possible residual values. I would guess we are heading towards whole life monitoring of the car including the scrapping & recycling at end of life. The financial institutions will buy the cars & increasingly the drivers will rent them.
Quote: Originally posted by billy on 16/11/2020
Electric car batteries are warrantied for 8yrs or 100k miles. So one can decide on that basis. Do you scrap the car after 8yrs or do you replace them & run the car for a total of 16yrs or more? Tbf a modern fossil fuel car is a dodgy buy at 6yrs old or more due to cost of possible repair bills.
While many of us lucky enough to be born baby boomers have money in the bank to buy their cars most new cars are put on the road with leasing deals & I would guess that is the future of car use so not quite as simple as just looking at possible residual values. I would guess we are heading towards whole life monitoring of the car including the scrapping & recycling at end of life. The financial institutions will buy the cars & increasingly the drivers will rent them.
8 years would be no good to me. I'm a baby-boomer, but not a wealthy one, so my cars tend to be 10 - 12 years old before I buy them. The one I have now is nearly 13 years old, and I hope to have it a good few years yet. A Volvo I sold 2 years ago is apparently still going strong at 21 years old, so hopefully my current car will do the same. My maximum budget for a car is probably no more than half the cost of a set of batteries for an EV. Cars today are very different to those from the 1960s. I would agree that those were probably a bit of a "dodgy buy" at 6 years old, but today's cars last a lot longer. The bodywork on my current car at nearly 13 years is probably better than a 3 year old 1960s car would have been. During my days working in a garage in the late 1960s I saw brand new cars that had more rust on them than my car has now.
My Volvo had 186,000 miles on it and it was running like a watch when I sold it, and my current one has 118,000. A 1960s car with 80,000 miles on was probably clapped out and burning as much oil as petrol (I had one like that), but 200,000 miles today is far from uncommon.
When I was looking for my current car which I bought just over a year ago, I found that the cost of older diesel cars was rising, which suggests to me that more people are hanging on to their older cars for longer. I can still remember the days when you could pick up a quite driveable older car for £100, and I've had a few, but not any more! Anything driveable today is worth thousands, and several thousands in reasonable condition.
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Topic: is it an earlier end to caravanning?
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