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12/8/2009 at 11:55am
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Hi, can some please tell me the correct way to connect / disconnect the caravan battery ? , according to the way i was taught in the forces you connect the pos+ first then the neg-, to disconnect you remove the neg- first then the pos+ but according to a brochure i found in the van thats wrong ?????? can anyone put me right......... please lol. atb Bill

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12/8/2009 at 12:01pm
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Well I would have done it your way too. See this article which seems to agree!

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Caravan Electrics - Batteries Explained  
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Leisure batteries and car battery's - what's the difference??

A car battery is designed to give out a large amount of power in a short space of time (starting the car) and then being quickly recharged.  A leisure battery on the other hand is designed to store power and release it over a much longer period of time.  Undoubtedly you can use a car battery in your caravan but it is unlikely to work very well in the long term.

Where to buy

It is not easy to get batteries by mail order due to the acid content and weight.  As such we recommend buy from a reputable caravan dealers

How big?

Battery power is measured in amp hours.  The higher this number is the better as this gives you an idea as to how long it will last.  Generally, leisure batteries are available from 75amp hours to 110amp hours.  A common question is how long will a leisure battery last for caravanning.  The obvious answer, is unhelpfully, depends how you use it and what for.  To give you an idea as to consumption of caravan equipment running on battery we have prepared a chart for you to add up how much power you need.

 

How long will a battery last in reality

If you followed this consumption pattern and ran a 110 amp hour battery to total discharge you would it would last just under two days.  However, in reality you would not get this performance for the following reasons:

  1. If you run a leisure battery to total discharge it would not be as effective.
  2. Amp hour ratings given to batteries are based on new batteries and in ideal conditions

We would never recommend totally discharging a battery ever, ideally you would never let it go below 50%.  

Calculating battery requirement

Caravan Equipment Wattage
rating
Estimated hours you will use it without a re-charge Total watt hours e.g. Rating x hours
Three 8w lights 24w 10 hours 240 watt 
One 10w spotlight 10w 12 hours 120 watt 
Water pump 50w 30 mins 25 watts
Colour TV 50w 10 hours 500 watts

If you add up the total watts used e.g. 240 + 120 + 25 + 500 = 885 watts

To work out the total number of amp hours you divide by the voltage (12v) 885 watts /12 volts = 74 amp hours. 

Preserving the life of your battery

There are a number of ways to keep your battery working longer. 

  1. Switch off all appliances when they are not being used
  2. Avoid using high drain appliances such as televisions etc
  3. Keep your battery regularly topped up.
  4. Consider a battery charging device (see below)

A guide to caravan voltage meters

If your caravan has a volt meter fitted, if not a simple volt meter will suffice, you can check your batteries condition using the following guide.  Even though batteries are rates at 12v a fully charged battery will give out nearer 13v (see guide below)

Voltage shown on voltmeter Guestimate of battery condition
12.7v or higher Fully charged
12.5v   Three quarters charged
12.4v  Half charged
12.2v  A quarter charged
12v or lower Empty 

Battery Charging

There are a number of devices on the market that will trickle charge your battery.  The most environmentally friendly versions are solar powered or wind powered.  Other alternatives are a generator or to use the power in your car battery.  Although be careful not to drain your car battery - so it is only really advisable to do this while the car is being driven.

Winter lay up

Our advice is to remove your battery from your caravan when you lay up your caravan.  Make sure you keep it charged over the winter to ensure it is in good condition next time you want it.

When removing your battery always disconnect the negative lead first (black) and then the positive lead.  Connecting your battery you should connect the positive terminal first and then negative.  Always switch everything off first to prevent sparks etc.



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12/8/2009 at 12:05pm
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I think the only factor is that if the positive is still on and the negative is loose, it can touch earth and create a firework display of sparks


12/8/2009 at 12:09pm
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Cheers stressed Al, I thought it was right but when you see something in print it makes you wonder , I'll keep doing it my way (less chance of getting a shock lol) unless someone tells me its the wrong way but thanks for the attached info. atb Bill

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12/8/2009 at 2:43pm
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Ive always been taught -ve off first,
when repairing a car, disconnect the -ve (infact it used to say it in the front of all haynes manuals)

IIRC, the reason is, especialy on a car with a -ve earth, is disconnecting the -ve first, if it toches the body of the car when you wedge it down out of the way, it is at the same potential.
also in newer cars, taking off the -ve first allows the capacitors etc to discharge normally, instead of the quick zap touching live to earth would.


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12/8/2009 at 3:11pm
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I was always taught to remove the negative on a vehicle of negative earth because if your spanner should slip when undoing the positive and touches the vehicles bodywork while the negative is still connected, you short out the battery and get a nice spark that could cause an explosion or a burn. I have always assumed that it is the same procedure when a leisure battery is involved.
I could be wrong though!

Andy.


12/8/2009 at 3:54pm
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Yes, Negative first.

AL


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On a car I agree with what andy1kenobe said; Disconnect the negative first so that if you short the positive to the body, you are not shorting it to the negative too. If you have an older car wit ha positive earth though, then you would disconnect the positive first, but there are very few of these left as it became common practice to use a negative earth on the mid sixties.

This is all irrelevent on a caravan though. As the body is not connected to the either side of the battery it really makes no difference. I go for the positive first as convention dictates that you always switch the positive side. As far as the battery or the caravan electronics are concerned, it makes not a jot of difference. Whichever one you disconnect first, the disconnected terminal takes the voltage of the other anyway. Try disconnecting one side of the battery and then measuring the voltage between the battery and the terminal. If anything is turned on, even something tiny, the voltage will show between the terminal and battery as the circuit is incomplete until the meter is connected.


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I've just googled this - there are as many answers saying disconnect Positive first as there are the other way around!

My caravan handbook does say to disconnect the negative first though.

AL


12/8/2009 at 8:07pm
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thats true the battery box is plastic and cant cause any sparks. still disconnect the negative 1st though.

did learn the hard way once on a transit, took off the + 1st and touched something and the spanner glowed red hot, managed to take it off with a pair of pliers and the thing shattered when i threw it on the ground. was bloody lucky



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