hi i have 1 full and one half full 7 kg bottles of butane which i no longer need.im aware the previous owner signed a deposit form for the bottles a few years ago but am i still able to claim a refund on the cylinders?if not does anyone have a use for them lol?would need collected.ive removed the gas and put a small camping electric oven in instead.just feel safer that way being honest.
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Without the original paperwork you are not able to get any refund. The other thing to remember is that the amount you can get back reduces down to nothing after 3 or 4 years!
The guys are right, the deposit it is a "Refill Agreement Charge" of £29.99 which is in force for 50 years!! All cylinders belong to the gas company. You are not allowed to sell them, give them away of even dump them. You must return them to Calor.
There is a bit about it on their website at the top of this page but the actual agreement is a bit wonky on some browsers. The text goes like this.....
Refill Agreement
In these conditions, “Company” means Calor Gas Limited, and “CALOR Outlet” means CALOR Centres, Dealers, Retailers, Stockists or other supply points approved by the Company. “CALOR”, “Refill Agreement Charge” means the Refill Agreement Charge specified in your order form. “User” means the customer named on the order form who is a party to this Cylinder Refill Agreement. “Cylinders” and “Gas” are defined in condition 1.
1. Purpose of the Refill Agreement Charge, In consideration for the Refill Agreement Charge, the Company agrees to refill the CALOR Cylinder(s) (“Cylinders(s)”) indicated with supplies of CALOR Gas (“Gas”) during the currency of this agreement. The Company will fulfil its obligation to refill the Cylinder by providing the User with a pre-filled Cylinder in exchange for the empty Cylinder, but reserves the right to refill the Cylinder by any other means. A Cylinder(s) can only be exchanged for a similar replacement refill Cylinder(s), otherwise a new agreement is required.
2. Future supplies of Gas – In entering into this agreement the User also understands that he/she will pay additional sums at the prevailing rate for the Gas contained in the Cylinder and for all future supplies of Gas as and when the Cylinder is refilled in accordance with Condition 1.
3. Cylinders remain the property of the Company at all times and may only be filled by the Company. The Company makes the Cylinder(s) available to the User as a means of safely transporting andstoring the Gas supplied. This agreement is not a rental agreement and it does not provide the User with title in the Cylinder. The User will not part with possession or control of the Cylinders (other than to a CALOR outlet) nor hold themselves out as having any rights in breach of this agreement, nor purport to create or attempt to create any agency or bailment in relation to the Cylinders or to
the User’s obligations.
4. Use of Cylinder – Cylinders may be used only as a container for Gas and may not be sold, exchanged (other than for the Purpose of this agreement), hired, assigned, transferred, mortgaged, lent, abandoned, nor damaged, defaced, decanted, filled or tampered with. The User will not part with possession or control of the Cylinders (other than to a Calor outlet) nor claim to have any rights in breach of this agreement, nor create any agency or bailment in relation to the Cylinders or to the User’s obligations.
5. The Company’s rights over the Cylinders – The User is liable for the safe storage and use of Cylinders and the safety of any equipment used with them but the Company may inspect or test Cylinders and any fittings used with them at any time and remove and replace Cylinders if defective, or for any other reason, but without the Company being under any obligation to do so. In any case of wil-ful damage or breach of this Agreement the Company may repossess Cylinders immediately and the User by entering into this agreement irrevocably authorises the Company or their agent to enter on the User’s property for these purposes and in that event this agreement is terminated. The Company may charge the User for loss of use of a Cylinder, in the event of loss or damage to the Cylinder but this charge shall not give the User any rights in the Cylinder. Unless the Company, at its discretion, decides otherwise, the User will forfeit any rights or benefits conferred upon them by this agreement.
6. Statutory Obligations – The Company will comply with all statutory and appropriate Code of Practice requirements in respect of Cylinders but this shall not mean that the Company has any obli-gation to maintain in good condition Cylinders which are in the User’s possession.
7. Termination by the User – This agreement remains in force for 50 years. The User may terminate this agreement by returning the Cylinder(s) in good order to a CALOR outlet nominated for this purpose and shall be entitled on presenting this agreement to a refund of a proportion of the Refill Agreement Charge.
8. Termination by the Company - This agreement may be terminated by the Company in the event of any act of insolvency or breach of this agreement on the part of the User.
9. Delivery - Where a Cylinder is to be delivered to the User the Company may use an agent for this purpose.
10. This agreement is governed by and construed in accordance with English Law.
11. VAT and any other applicable taxes will be charged at the appropriate rate.
I am near Dunfermline, and might have been able to use the cylinders, but as you can see from the agreement, you are not allowed to do this!!
Most people flog them on car boots sales for a £fiver, if you need a Calor or Campingaz bottle its cheaper to 'aquire' one than buy it intially from the supplier. once you have the bottle you can exchange for full in the normal way.
Council tips won't even take them now, ours has a sign up stating all unwanted gas bottles should be returned to gas suppliers.
The guys are right, the deposit it is a "Refill Agreement Charge" of £29.99 which is in force for 50 years!! All cylinders belong to the gas company. You are not allowed to sell them, give them away of even dump them. You must return them to Calor.
There is a bit about it on their website at the top of this page but the actual agreement is a bit wonky on some browsers. The text goes like this.....
Refill Agreement
In these conditions, “Company” means Calor Gas Limited, and “CALOR Outlet” means CALOR Centres, Dealers, Retailers, Stockists or other supply points approved by the Company. “CALOR”, “Refill Agreement Charge” means the Refill Agreement Charge specified in your order form. “User” means the customer named on the order form who is a party to this Cylinder Refill Agreement. “Cylinders” and “Gas” are defined in condition 1.
1. Purpose of the Refill Agreement Charge, In consideration for the Refill Agreement Charge, the Company agrees to refill the CALOR Cylinder(s) (“Cylinders(s)”) indicated with supplies of CALOR Gas (“Gas”) during the currency of this agreement. The Company will fulfil its obligation to refill the Cylinder by providing the User with a pre-filled Cylinder in exchange for the empty Cylinder, but reserves the right to refill the Cylinder by any other means. A Cylinder(s) can only be exchanged for a similar replacement refill Cylinder(s), otherwise a new agreement is required.
2. Future supplies of Gas – In entering into this agreement the User also understands that he/she will pay additional sums at the prevailing rate for the Gas contained in the Cylinder and for all future supplies of Gas as and when the Cylinder is refilled in accordance with Condition 1.
3. Cylinders remain the property of the Company at all times and may only be filled by the Company. The Company makes the Cylinder(s) available to the User as a means of safely transporting andstoring the Gas supplied. This agreement is not a rental agreement and it does not provide the User with title in the Cylinder. The User will not part with possession or control of the Cylinders (other than to a CALOR outlet) nor hold themselves out as having any rights in breach of this agreement, nor purport to create or attempt to create any agency or bailment in relation to the Cylinders or to the User’s obligations.
4. Use of Cylinder – Cylinders may be used only as a container for Gas and may not be sold, exchanged (other than for the Purpose of this agreement), hired, assigned, transferred, mortgaged, lent, abandoned, nor damaged, defaced, decanted, filled or tampered with. The User will not part with possession or control of the Cylinders (other than to a Calor outlet) nor claim to have any rights in breach of this agreement, nor create any agency or bailment in relation to the Cylinders or to the User’s obligations.
5. The Company’s rights over the Cylinders – The User is liable for the safe storage and use of Cylinders and the safety of any equipment used with them but the Company may inspect or test Cylinders and any fittings used with them at any time and remove and replace Cylinders if defective, or for any other reason, but without the Company being under any obligation to do so. In any case of wil-ful damage or breach of this Agreement the Company may repossess Cylinders immediately and the User by entering into this agreement irrevocably authorises the Company or their agent to enter on the User’s property for these purposes and in that event this agreement is terminated. The Company may charge the User for loss of use of a Cylinder, in the event of loss or damage to the Cylinder but this charge shall not give the User any rights in the Cylinder. Unless the Company, at its discretion, decides otherwise, the User will forfeit any rights or benefits conferred upon them by this agreement.
6. Statutory Obligations – The Company will comply with all statutory and appropriate Code of Practice requirements in respect of Cylinders but this shall not mean that the Company has any obli-gation to maintain in good condition Cylinders which are in the User’s possession.
7. Termination by the User – This agreement remains in force for 50 years. The User may terminate this agreement by returning the Cylinder(s) in good order to a CALOR outlet nominated for this purpose and shall be entitled on presenting this agreement to a refund of a proportion of the Refill Agreement Charge.
8. Termination by the Company - This agreement may be terminated by the Company in the event of any act of insolvency or breach of this agreement on the part of the User.
9. Delivery - Where a Cylinder is to be delivered to the User the Company may use an agent for this purpose.
10. This agreement is governed by and construed in accordance with English Law.
11. VAT and any other applicable taxes will be charged at the appropriate rate.
I am near Dunfermline, and might have been able to use the cylinders, but as you can see from the agreement, you are not allowed to do this!!
thnks for that mate interesting to see that.your welcome to them if you have an empty one to swap over?surely thats in the rules.
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I am just wondering how Calor would know if you gave your cylinders to someone else?
We have had 3 blue cylinders (not still the same ones of course)in use for the last 35 years, they came from my parents when they retired, we have never had any paperwork.
And we acquired 2 more from our tip a couple of years back, these we have now swapped for propane CalorLites
Quote: Originally posted by jennifernn on 27/6/2009
I am just wondering how Calor would know if you gave your cylinders to someone else?
They wouldn't know & they wouldn't be interested, you just take in empty & exchange for a full one, paying for the contents. I think Calor also allow you to exchange for a different size bottle & swap butane to propane(& vice versa)so it dont really matter what size of Calor bottle you aquire.
if anyone can use these cylinders and wants them then they are more than welcome to come and collect them from glenrothes(or forfar next weekend).i have no need for them anymore and would prefer someone to get the use out of them and maybe save a wee bit of money as well.just let me know and ill arrange a suitable collection time
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...I think Calor also allow you to exchange for a different size bottle & swap butane to propane...
Calor have become a bit more keen lately and you might find some dealers are reluctant to exchange for anything other than like-for-like. Where Calor have tightened fully is their recent restriction on swapping a standard bottle for a Calor-Lite (early May I recall). New Calor-lite customers need to now start a new rental per bottle.
Quote: Originally posted by santisana on 27/6/2009
if you still have the bottles, and want to get rid of them, I am in the Glenrothes area, and can take them off your hands......
thats fine you can take tem away.not sure how i can send you any contact detals though without making them public(which i obvously dont want to do)
leave it with me ill think of something :-)
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hi all sorry these are gone now especially to santisana who asked for these.i was down at the van today and got chatting to the owner of the van stored behind mines.anyway cut a long story short he took my gas bottles of me and kindly gave me a tv signal booster he wasnt needing anymore in exchange.hate letting people down so apologies again
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