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Subject Topic: Help - do I have to take the windows out?
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07/5/2007 at 5:22pm
 Location: S. Wales
 Outfit: Swift Corniche
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I bought a 1991 Swift Corniche last Winter. It's been stored in the farmers barn. Last weekend we took it out and set it up in his orchard - no problems.

This weekend we went and stayed. After last nights rain we have water on the wooden ledge below the front large D/G plastic windows. Enough water to be a pool & soak into the curtains etc.

Do I have to take out the windows to fix the problem or can I renew the sealant (silicone?) around the windows?

I've contacted a mobile repairer who can't visit and do a 'damp test' till the 25th March and not repair till the 7th June. Part of the problem is the caravan is near Leominster, two & half hours from home.

I could put it back in the barn to protect the van, but then we can't use it.

Learning from after the event I should have had a 'damp test' done before buying. But, the owner seemed genuine and honest.

Anybody got any repair contacts Nr Leominster; that they can recommend?

Please advise me what should I do?

All replies appreciated. Thankyou

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07/5/2007 at 5:59pm
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The only way to ensure you get a good seal is to remove the rubber and clean and dry it thoroughly. Unfortunately moisture gets trapped between the rubber and the frame making it impossible to dry out any other way. You also get to inspect the frame for damage by removing the rubber. Silicone is not normally used for sealing caravan windows. Most people use non drying mastic, it is about £2 a tube, and very messy. You can buy it on a roll which I have not tried but I do not imagine would be much less messy to use. I would recommend using sikaflex which is not quite as messy as it dries and seals better than anything else. I tried he mastic in my front window, but gave up, as I could not get it to seal properly and ended up cleaning it out with paint thinner and buying a tube of sikaflex for £8. If I ever do it again, I will go straight for the sikaflex.


07/5/2007 at 6:51pm
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Quote: Originally posted by SoundsDigital on 07/5/2007
The only way to ensure you get a good seal is to remove the rubber and clean and dry it thoroughly. ............. I would recommend using sikaflex which is not quite as messy as it dries and seals better than anything else. I ............ ended up cleaning it out with paint thinner and buying a tube of sikaflex for £8. If I ever do it again, I will go straight for the sikaflex.



Thanks for your prompt reply.

This may be a stupid question, but I'm a real beginner here - how do I remove the rubber?

Is the Sikalex you use a non-drying mastic? I remember using Sikaflex when playing with boats and they had loads of different products. Could you please tell me the actual Sikaflex product name or code number?

I'm obviously a bit worried but it sounds as if I could possibly fix it myself. Is there any web site showing how to do this job?

Thanks

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08/5/2007 at 12:08pm
 Location: Scotland
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I got my first caravan last year 1994 Fleetwood, and had similar problems.  I have just re-built the front of my caravan, and luckily, it is not too difficult.  Before removing the seals, a word of warning.  You may be shocked to see the mess under there if it has been leaking for some time.  The underlying frame may be rotten. I landed out with re-building everything under the front plastic skin.

Before you start, check out the "Fixed it club".  The Wizzard's web pages give you everything that you need to know in detail with photos, and is about the best manual that you will find anywhere!  just click the link - http://hp-h.com/p/wizard41/

Check out the window reseal page...

http://hp-h.com/p/wizard41/Windowreseal.html......but I don't recommend propping up the windows with a brush, if the window falls down, it may be costly to get a replacement!  It would be better, and not that difficult to remove the windows, and re-seal the rail while you are at it..    Also check the other fixed-it-club members pages at the bottom of wizards page for more info and photos, and you will see that others have fixed much worse!

You would be best to do this job under cover if you can, or at least have a large tarpaulin and some duck tape handy to cover the front of the van if it rains.

To remove the rubber, take off the carches and stays, then remove the white insert from inside.  This will expose the staples.  Carefully remove these, and the rubber comes out.  Clean up the old rubber with white spirit (I hope that there is no silicone on there as it is a pig to get off!), and put back in, with the reverse procedure.

The sealant you are looking for is Sikaflex 512 - Caravan sealant, but I used the stuff in a roll which works well. But make sure that you get it between the plastic front panel and the rubber seal.

I hope to add my photos to a webpage at some point as my thanks go out to wizard and the fixed it club.  They gave me the confidence to have a go, and the front of my van is now like new.....in fact, probably better than it was when it was new.

It really is not that hard to do, just time consuming and tricky to keep the rain out if you don't have a barn, and if you want a job done right you have to Do It Yourself!!

Good luck

 



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08/5/2007 at 2:46pm
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Quote: Originally posted by caradad on 08/5/2007

I got my first caravan last year 1994 Fleetwood, and had similar problems. I have just re-built the front of my caravan, and luckily, it is not too difficult. Before removing the seals, a word of warning. ...., and if you want a job done right you have to Do It Yourself!!

Good luck





Thanks Caradad for all that very very useful info. I'll get it in the barn and have a go.


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08/5/2007 at 7:39pm
 Location: Liverpool
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I have contacted Swift and they recommend using Soudal Fixall for re-sealing of their caravans. In fact if any caravan workshops do warranty work on their caravans they insist on it.

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09/5/2007 at 10:26am
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Quote: Originally posted by pchester on 08/5/2007
I have contacted Swift and they recommend using Soudal Fixall for re-sealing of their caravans. In fact if any caravan workshops do warranty work on their caravans they insist on it.


Thanks Paul for that useful information and contacting Swift. Why didn't I think of that

I think I went into panic mode,having read loads of horror stories about caravans and damp.

All respondents here have been so helpful; many many thanks to you all.


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09/5/2007 at 1:40pm
 Location: Bristol
 Outfit: Lunar Conquest 544 a
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Hi Jack , looks like you've got enough info to get you started on redoing your window seals , The Fixed it Club members are always about on here if you have more questions , do ask as many as you like and i'm sure you'll get the answers you need .
Let us know how your getting on when your doing the repairs .

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09/5/2007 at 1:53pm
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Hi Caradad , well spotted .
>>but I don't recommend propping up the windows with a brush, if the window falls down, it may be costly to get a replacement!  It would be better, and not that difficult to remove the windows, and re-seal the rail while you are at it..
I've changed the text on my website now , Thanks .

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09/5/2007 at 6:42pm
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Are you sure it's the seal?

I had this problem on one of my trips and feared the worst.

It turned out that the window wasn't sitting properly in it's top runner. I opened the window so it was nearly horizontal then it just slipped out of the mounting. I then pushed it back in firmly and centred it over the opening. When I closed the window, the seal was watertight.

I've had no more probs and that was about 3 years ago.

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09/5/2007 at 7:59pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Kev... on 09/5/2007

Are you sure it's the seal?......I've had no more probs and that was about 3 years ago.

Good luck




Hi Kev,

I'll check that first and keep my fingers crossed that it will also cure my problem.

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