Insurance Quotes

Advertisement

Message Forums

Welcome Guest Register  Log In  Search  Latest Posts
 Reception - All Forums
  Caravans and Caravanning
Share   Post on X / Twitter  Share on Facebook  Email
Subject Topic: Truma Heater - Problem
Post Reply
03/4/2009 at 10:18am
 Location: Boldon
 Outfit: Elddis Firestorm
View seanus's Profile View Profile   Reply to seanus Reply   Quote seanus Quote  
Joined: 25/8/2007

Standard Member
Standard Member

Forum Posts:   67

Site Reviews Total: 3
Site Reviews 2026: 0 
Site Reviews 2025: 0 
Site Reviews 2024: 0 
Site Reviews 2023: 0 
Site Reviews 2022: 0 
Site Reviews 2021: 0 
Site Reviews 2020: 0 
Site Nights 2026: 0
Site Nights 2025: 0
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0

Am I missing something.

Truma Heater gas and or electric fitted. - controls on top of it for gas or electric, i know the meaning of the symbols the little arrow and the a.

Blown air - wall thermastat and dial to turn off and to 2000 etc

Got the van last week and it worked, now it wont.  Dont know if its me or not?

The fans on the fire and the blown air are going and the wall thermastat is high as it will go at 9 (set at 2000).  But no warm air coming out the vents and now heat on the fire.  It worked the other day!

Any ideas or pointers - going away today!



03/4/2009 at 10:32am
 Location: None Entered
 Outfit: http: www.arcsystems.biz
View arc systems's Profile View Profile   Reply to arc systems Reply   Quote arc systems Quote  
Joined: 02/12/2003

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   4375

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2026: 0 
Site Reviews 2025: 0 
Site Reviews 2024: 0 
Site Reviews 2023: 0 
Site Reviews 2022: 0 
Site Reviews 2021: 0 
Site Reviews 2020: 0 
Site Nights 2026: 0
Site Nights 2025: 0
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0

There should be a 240v isolation switch somewhere? if the wall control switch has not got it's green light lit? then I's guess someones been round switching everything off!!


03/4/2009 at 10:33am
 Location: Norf
 Outfit: Elddis
View Sean P's Profile View Profile   Reply to Sean P Reply   Quote Sean P Quote  
Joined: 08/2/2006

Platinum Member
Platinum Member

Forum Posts:   1027

Site Reviews Total: 13
Site Reviews 2026: 0 
Site Reviews 2025: 0 
Site Reviews 2024: 0 
Site Reviews 2023: 1 
Site Reviews 2022: 0 
Site Reviews 2021: 0 
Site Reviews 2020: 0 
Site Nights 2026: 0
Site Nights 2025: 0
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 2
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0

If it isnt the fuse/switch as Gaz says and you have a green light, then perhaps you have made a common mistake pal - dont worry. Perhaps an explanation will help, and may even help you find a fault if it isnt the fuse (although Gaz is usually right).

Right, on your truma you have a fan setting. There is an M and an A on a little switch. A is automatic, and its job is to speed up the fan as the heater gets hotter - it will go to the maximum setting you set it to) . M will make it blow to your setting with no 'intelligence' on how hot the heater is.

If its on manual and set too high then the air is extracted too quick and never gets hot - hence blowing cold air. If its on electric then it will never likely get really hot with a fast fan - only gas can do the job (more on this later).

The electric is very good as it provides silent running thermos controlled heating on a night. We have ours on around 6 on a night and it keeps it comfortable.

If you want to blow warm air around the fan - particularly when first arrive on site and its freezing then turn on the gas and set it to its highest point. Put the fan on A and leave it. The heater will get hot and the fan will slowly get faster. This will start blowing warm air in aroun 10 minutes and then get hotter and blow faster.

Electric has never had the 'umph' to get the heater hot quick enough to cope with a fast fan. The best way for blown air with electric is to turn the fans off, then use the electric at its highest to get it nice and hot, then put the fan on manual on a low setting. This will just about cope and blow warm air.

Another thing with heating is to remember that the more ports you have open around the va, the cooler the heating on each port (if that makes sense). If you want very hot air at each end, then just keep one flap open at each end and close all the rest. Also bear in mind in some vans there is ports under the bed so close them too. Also if you have an awning warmer then close that too or the air flies out of the van.

Some fools will come along and say never to use electric/gas without a fan - this is garbage.

The power settings are 500/1000/2000 - this is wattage. If you are a site with crap hook ups - say 6A then 1000 will probably work. If you trip the post when you put the kettle on then reduce it to 500. This obviously affects the heat of the element (rather like the old bar settings on old electric fires).

Hope this helps - likelihood is that your stuff is working fine, just panicking as it can appear to be faulty. I learned the hard way myself when I thought my fan was broke when it went real slow - of course it was on A and the heater was cold...!



-------------
*:)


03/4/2009 at 11:01am
 Location: Boldon
 Outfit: Elddis Firestorm
View seanus's Profile View Profile   Reply to seanus Reply   Quote seanus Quote  
Joined: 25/8/2007

Standard Member
Standard Member

Forum Posts:   67

Site Reviews Total: 3
Site Reviews 2026: 0 
Site Reviews 2025: 0 
Site Reviews 2024: 0 
Site Reviews 2023: 0 
Site Reviews 2022: 0 
Site Reviews 2021: 0 
Site Reviews 2020: 0 
Site Nights 2026: 0
Site Nights 2025: 0
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0

Gary and Sean, I have just come back from the caravan shop with some chemicals for the loo and was really please to see 2 replies so fast.

I think as you say Gary I have made the common mistake you are referring to!  (Hangs head in shame).  Your guide is really helpful and off now to make some changes.  Thank you both again for sparing my blushes and keeping them confined to this post!

 

Cheers.



03/4/2009 at 11:04am
 Location: Sheffield
 Outfit: Mobile Dog Kennel
View tykey's Profile View Profile   Reply to tykey Reply   Quote tykey Quote  
Joined: 08/7/2007

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   1740

Site Reviews Total: 3
Site Reviews 2026: 0 
Site Reviews 2025: 0 
Site Reviews 2024: 0 
Site Reviews 2023: 0 
Site Reviews 2022: 0 
Site Reviews 2021: 0 
Site Reviews 2020: 0 
Site Nights 2026: 0
Site Nights 2025: 0
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0

Sounds right Sean, mine is exactly the same. I don't even bother with the fan any more, I just set the thermostat to 9 and adjust the power to warm/cool it up and down. Just needs a little patience.


Advertisement

Handiworld


03/4/2009 at 11:25am
 Location: Norf
 Outfit: Elddis
View Sean P's Profile View Profile   Reply to Sean P Reply   Quote Sean P Quote  
Joined: 08/2/2006

Platinum Member
Platinum Member

Forum Posts:   1027

Site Reviews Total: 13
Site Reviews 2026: 0 
Site Reviews 2025: 0 
Site Reviews 2024: 0 
Site Reviews 2023: 1 
Site Reviews 2022: 0 
Site Reviews 2021: 0 
Site Reviews 2020: 0 
Site Nights 2026: 0
Site Nights 2025: 0
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 2
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0

Must admit I love the electric. One of the big jobs I did on my first van was to fit the upgrade on my gas truma to dual fuel. It was a days job but very satisfying.

Its a great thing for night times and wintery days as it keeps the van nice and comfortable. Its a bit dry but we use the baby humidifier on low and it keeps the dryness off.

-------------
*:)


06/4/2009 at 9:50pm
 Location: Boldon
 Outfit: Elddis Firestorm
View seanus's Profile View Profile   Reply to seanus Reply   Quote seanus Quote  
Joined: 25/8/2007

Standard Member
Standard Member

Forum Posts:   67

Site Reviews Total: 3
Site Reviews 2026: 0 
Site Reviews 2025: 0 
Site Reviews 2024: 0 
Site Reviews 2023: 0 
Site Reviews 2022: 0 
Site Reviews 2021: 0 
Site Reviews 2020: 0 
Site Nights 2026: 0
Site Nights 2025: 0
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0

Hello again - I may have spoken to soon as we left on Friday afternoon and I was convinced that the answer was in the explanation from Sean, which is very helpful as it all fits with what we were doing wrong to begin with (when the heating was working).  So i thought, give that a try on the Friday night, which we did, but no joy.

Had the wall therm on the wall at 2000 and on 3 and the dial on the heater for the electric at 3 for ages but sitll just cold air coming through.

I did check the fuse in the fuse box for the heaing and it was fine.

The night before the problem came to light, we had the electric heating on fine.  The shower/loo next to the wardrobe the heater is mounted on was really really warm inside, felt too warm in there to be honest.

My question is this then, could the element have maybe blown and need replacing if the fuse is fine and the fan is fine and have tried it on low settings?

By the way, it did work really well on the gas.

Bet you thought you had seen the last of me on this post!

 



07/4/2009 at 12:07am
 Location: None Entered
 Outfit: http: www.arcsystems.biz
View arc systems's Profile View Profile   Reply to arc systems Reply   Quote arc systems Quote  
Joined: 02/12/2003

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   4375

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2026: 0 
Site Reviews 2025: 0 
Site Reviews 2024: 0 
Site Reviews 2023: 0 
Site Reviews 2022: 0 
Site Reviews 2021: 0 
Site Reviews 2020: 0 
Site Nights 2026: 0
Site Nights 2025: 0
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0

There are several possible reasons for it to pack up like this, one that springs to mind i one of the thermostats has packed up, what I doubt it will be is element failure. Another possible that I've just sorted is if there is a remote temp sensor fitted and it's somehow worked it's way loose, this can reconnect the orginal sensor while the remote is still connected, with two connected it will stop the elements being switched on 

Beyond that, I have a different take on how the fire should be used on electric and why it does not always do as it should:-

The Ultraheat’s wattage settings are there so you can make use of low amperage hookups, 500W for 6A, 1000W for 10A and 2000W for 16A hookups, their not there to adjust the temperature of the van.

 

The Ultralheat is thermostatically controlled, therefore the wattage used will simply mean the fire is heating for shorter or longer periods. Where the problems arise then is if the temperature control is not working correctly, this is often due to the heat from the elements directly affecting the sensor itself. This means the heat brings the temperature sensor up to that set on the dial and the elements switch off, you and the vans are still cold but the sensors toasty and takes forever to cool before switching the fire back on!!

 

Due to this and particularly overnight, it's become something of an urban myth to set it at 500w or 1000w, this or that number on the dial and fan speed setting. In truth what's happening is the available heat is not capable of reaching the set temperature so never switches off, it's a useful work around but not how it should work.

The real solution is to fit a ‘remote’ temperature sensor and attach it to the gas fires sensor, if a remote is already fitted, it to will usually react better if moved to this location.

 

I would suggest as a start and during the day, the wattage selected is as high as the hook up allows and then fan speed set to maximum on ‘A’.

This provides the maximum heat if required and the fans speed will respond automatically to change in temperature, ie, fast when heat cycle is on and slow when heat is off.

After that you can fine tune to suit your own needs

 

 

Other problems concern the control board, the elements are switched on and off by relays and the contacts burn out particularly the 2kw relay.

The 12v for control also comes from this board and the transformer sometimes packs up for no apparent reason but possibly because of a mains voltage spike. Apart from no heat, you will lose the green light in the switch if this happens

Lastly and also if no heat is forth coming, there are two safety thermostats, one at least of these has a habit of self destruction which stops all heating on electric!

The control switch itself seems generally reliable but the odd one does fail.

 

The numbers on the dial represent roughly 4degs and 9 is 32degs or thereabouts, this in theory makes 6 or 7 'normal' but it's what feels comfortable that matters not the number.

 

Another problem not caused by the heater itself is long runs of un-insulated blown air pipe running outside under the floor, insulating this will improve matters considerable.

 

 

Everything installed and working as it should, there is no good reason why the electric heating should not work very well and keep an even temperature to suit your needs.

However, it must be remembered the van needs to be warmed through thoroughly before the heating is turned down, while the vans cold it will constantly drag heat from the air and this needs constant topping up or the van will always feel draughty. It's most useful then to use gas as well for the first couple of hours and if the heating is off during the day to turn it back on at the first sign of a chill.

 



07/4/2009 at 9:29pm
 Location: None Entered
 Outfit: None Entered
View sbsuk's Profile View Profile   Reply to sbsuk Reply   Quote sbsuk Quote  
Joined: 06/11/2007

Gold Member
Gold Member

Forum Posts:   334

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2026: 0 
Site Reviews 2025: 0 
Site Reviews 2024: 0 
Site Reviews 2023: 0 
Site Reviews 2022: 0 
Site Reviews 2021: 0 
Site Reviews 2020: 0 
Site Nights 2026: 0
Site Nights 2025: 0
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0

Gary (seems to be changing to Gaz), I wonder if using the heater on the 1 kw setting (provided the output is high enough to maintain the temperature) would prolong the life of the overheat thermostats.  What do you think?

 

I would tend to disagree with Sean's statement:

"Some fools will come along and say never to use electric/gas without a fan - this is garbage."

Perhaps to the people who have distorted drawers over the heater may also disagree.

 

Mike



07/4/2009 at 11:00pm
 Location: Boldon
 Outfit: Elddis Firestorm
View seanus's Profile View Profile   Reply to seanus Reply   Quote seanus Quote  
Joined: 25/8/2007

Standard Member
Standard Member

Forum Posts:   67

Site Reviews Total: 3
Site Reviews 2026: 0 
Site Reviews 2025: 0 
Site Reviews 2024: 0 
Site Reviews 2023: 0 
Site Reviews 2022: 0 
Site Reviews 2021: 0 
Site Reviews 2020: 0 
Site Nights 2026: 0
Site Nights 2025: 0
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0

Thanks, Gary, tried again this evening but no luck still.

Are the sensors easy to locate and replace or do I need to get someone in to do it?

Thanks for the help from all of you.



Advertisement

Wolfbox


07/4/2009 at 11:36pm
 Location: None Entered
 Outfit: http: www.arcsystems.biz
View arc systems's Profile View Profile   Reply to arc systems Reply   Quote arc systems Quote  
Joined: 02/12/2003

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   4375

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2026: 0 
Site Reviews 2025: 0 
Site Reviews 2024: 0 
Site Reviews 2023: 0 
Site Reviews 2022: 0 
Site Reviews 2021: 0 
Site Reviews 2020: 0 
Site Nights 2026: 0
Site Nights 2025: 0
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0

Quote: Originally posted by sbsuk on 07/4/2009

Gary (seems to be changing to Gaz), I wonder if using the heater on the 1 kw setting (provided the output is high enough to maintain the temperature) would prolong the life of the overheat thermostats.  What do you think?

 

 

Mike


I've noticed that recently Mike and I don't like Gaz, never have!, like being named after a dumpy bottle of butane!!

In answer to your question, I really don't know, Truma say no??

As for changing them I don't know how easy/hard that is either, however I know a man that does...over to you Mike




In order to post a reply you will need to register, or if already registered please log in here

Prev       Next
Quick Links - All Forums - Caravans and Caravanning - Top of Page

     Share   Post on X / Twitter  Share on Facebook  Email


Latest News, Discounts and Competitions  see all...















    Upcoming Event

UKCS Meet Elvaston Steam Rally 2026 03/07 to 06/07

Amazing family weekend with old steam engines, classic car displays, market stalls, and full catering and bar. And camping on site - Save £25 by booking in advance.


5412 Visitors online !

Free UKCampsite.co.uk Window Sticker  -  Add a Missing Campsite

[Message Forums]  [Caravan Sites & Camping]  [Company Listings]  [Features / Advice]  [Virtual Brochure]  [Special Offers]
[Reception]  [Competitions]  [Caravans & Motorhomes For Sale]  [Event Diary]  [Tent Reviews

[Contact Us



Please note we are not responsible for the content of external sites & any reviews represent the author's personal view only. Please report any error here. You may view our privacy and cookie policy and terms and conditions here. All copyrights & other intellectual property rights in the design and content of this web site are reserved to the UKCampsite.co.uk © 1999 - 2026


Advertisement


Advertisement

Advertisement