Can Anyone tell me whether the Aquaroll & Wastemaster are included in the 'Essential Habitation Equipment' Payload figure on the manufacturer's spec or whether we need to include them in our 'Personal' payload weights?
Gas bottles aren't fixtures either but they get included - or would that only be one included or none?
The best thing to do is to put all the equipment that you think should be classed as essential into the van and then weigh it then you know how much you have left for you personal payload
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When we got our new van I took out what we didn't need and weighed it, we took the weight from the unladen figure to give us a starting point, then we loaded the van with everything we needed again weighing each thing and added this to the unladen figure. The way I see it as long as you do not exceed the MTPLM it doesn't matter if you load eg an awning and no clothes or loads of clothes and no awning as long as everything is loaded safely and within the max figure of the van.
Loaded on a weighbridge I was 7 kgs out from my estimate and still within the max figure.
HTH and make sense.
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Its a bit misleading to talk of essential habitation equipment when sorting out how much you can load. Take the weight of the MTPLM, deduct the weight of the MIRO and thats all that you can get inside. I think its just the purists who apportion that figure between essential habitation equipment and personal equipment.
Phil
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Quote: Originally posted by cwdc56768 on 26/7/2010
Its a bit misleading to talk of essential habitation equipment when sorting out how much you can load. Take the weight of the MTPLM, deduct the weight of the MIRO and thats all that you can get inside. I think its just the purists who apportion that figure between essential habitation equipment and personal equipment.
Phil
Yes but some manufacturers include what they call essential habitation equipment in their MIRO while others don't and then others have different ideas of what is habitation equipment.
So the best plan for the OP is to weigh their van with their essential equipment in it to find the true MIRO including stuff the caravan won't work without.
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Weve included them in the personal payload because we didn't know exactly what essential habitation equipment comprised of. We're going to be really close to the MTPLM when we go to France soneedto figure it out accurately. Think we'll just take the van to a weigh bridge on Saturday to see where we're at.
Thanks. We have weights for everything that will go inborn the car & the van & I have all the tech specs for both. The car can take a ridiculous amount of weight even after people & hitch weight have been included but we don't want to use it all as other than people it would all be at the back which we want to avoid. We'll put the awning on the roof to balance it a bit.
Quote: Originally posted by adsheadv on 26/7/2010
Weve included them in the personal payload because we didn't know exactly what essential habitation equipment comprised of. We're going to be really close to the MTPLM when we go to France soneedto figure it out accurately. Think we'll just take the van to a weigh bridge on Saturday to see where we're at.
That is exactly the problem, as already said, and therefore why you should only bother with the MTPLM.
Manufacturers only give all these different payload figures because they are obliged to. I think there may be some minimums given somewhere that they need to achieve.
Well... OH took the van to a weigh bridge this morning. There was me thinking we were cutting it fine & worrying about us being overweight - our MTPLM is 1590 kilos, the actual weight was 1520!
So, I'm a happy bunny. Now, what should I fill those 70 kilos with...... (only joking)
Mass in Running Order (MRO)
(Ex works weight inclusive of the manufacturer’s tolerances, Unladen Weight)
Mass of the caravan equipped to the manufacturer’s standard specification stated on the caravan weight plate. This now includes those items required for the safe and proper functioning of the caravan (e.g. gas cylinder, fresh water and hook up cable). Note: Dealer fitted items must be taken into consideration if it is a dealer special.
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But isn't that only if you buy a new caravan in 2011 and it is subject to the new definition. Your existing caravan definitions will stay as they are?
Phil
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Quote: Originally posted by Rune Caster on 31/7/2010
In effect from 2011:
Mass in Running Order (MRO) (Ex works weight inclusive of the manufacturer’s tolerances, Unladen Weight) Mass of the caravan equipped to the manufacturer’s standard specification stated on the caravan weight plate. This now includes those items required for the safe and proper functioning of the caravan (e.g. gas cylinder, fresh water and hook up cable). Note: Dealer fitted items must be taken into consideration if it is a dealer special.
That was the problem tho - nobody could give us a definitive list of what's included - Battery? Spare Wheel (weighs 18kg & not part of standard spec as ours is a dealer special)? EHU? Waste Master & Aquaroll? Gas Cylinders (ours came with 2 x 7kg bottles)? Microwave?
The only real way to be sure was to weigh the van & I'm so glad we did. Now we can put stuff in the van that we thought would have to go in the car - tinned food, drinks etc... £12 at the weigh bridge was a small price to pay for peace of mind - a 1600 mile round trip is a long way to go on a wing, a prayer & guess work!
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Topic: MTPLM - Essential Habitation Equipment
