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23/3/2013 at 7:41pm
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My wife and I went to look at a caravan at Wandahome and we were also met by a pushy salesman. We looked over a number of vans and identified one that we liked. We then went with the salesman to sit down and discuss figures.

We agreed with him that we wanted a Motor Mover, Tyre Band Systen and Superguard all of which we were told came to approx £1,500. The salesman then said that he would go and see how much discount he could get us seeing as we had decided not to take up Wandahomes, not so generous offer, to sell our camper for £5,000 so there was no part ex.

He came back and asked how £20,250.00 grabbed us and we were of course interested as there appeared to be an approx. saving of £3,000. The impression we were given was that £20,250 was for the entire deal and agreed to go ahead. The salesman pushed an order form in front of us that showed a price of £20,000 (we asked for the £250 to be taken off if we were to proceed there and then) Below the figure of £20,000 was listed the price of the three optional extras with no total at the bottom of the form. We thought that was right as we had been given the impression that £20,000 was all that we would pay.

I pointed to the optional extras asking the salesman to confirm that we were in fact getting these for nothing and he nodded his head in the affirmative. We signed his order.

Five days later we received through the post two additional orders for signing only this time they had added the optional extras and the price was now £21,530.95. We thought there must have been an error as were certain that this was not the case and rang the salesman immediately. He told us that the latest order we had received was correct and that he never intended the price to be £20,000.

I have since written to the General Manager of Wandahome pointing out that we were misled over the price of the goods and that we wanted our £1,000 back. She has refused in a letter that is inaccurate in terms of the facts.

It is rather surprising that despite signing an order that did not show a total that several days later we received one that did and we refused to sign it. You would have thought that this would be enough to convince the GM that we had been misled either intentionally or otherwise and that she would have agreed to return our deposit My understanding is that to mislead a customer in these circumstances amounts to "Criminal Breach of Contract and I intend to vigorously contest this company no matter what.
If anyone reading this thread has had or heard of similar experiences with Wandahome I would like to hear from them. Please make your first contact through here as I have every intention of taking this matter further.

I strongly recommend anyone thinking of purchasing a new caravan or motorhome to keep well clear of this company.


23/3/2013 at 11:48pm
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phil will be on your post soon with some excellent advice hes up on legal issues .hope you get sorted soon we went to wandahome and the salesman we had very pushy .we didnt sign up for a van and got one later from glossops and they were fantastic

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24/3/2013 at 9:30am
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Which Wandahome South Cave or Knotingley?

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It would depend on the interpretation of the invoice you received from the salesman, really it should state total price to pay on bottom line. I take it all you want now is the return of your deposit? I would think your best bet would be to arrange to meet the GM & discuss this in a friendly & rational way pointing out that the salesman's 'over enthusiastic' approach was not appropriate with such a large amount of money involved. As the total to pay was not indicated on the invoice they should listen to reason & agree that it was a 'misunderstanding'. Be friendly but firm, I'm guessing this salesman probably has previous 'form' on this sort of thing.

If this does not resolve the matter then it is down to how a judge might interpret your original order paperwork as this is the only actual evidence you have. You could also show it to trading standards but they can only act if they can prove the law has been broken. There would seem little point in involving lawyers yourself for a £1000 so I would suggest a diplomatic approach to try to solve this amicably.


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24/3/2013 at 1:08pm
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Hi sorry to hear about your problems with wandahome. South cave
I have recently purchased a caravan from wandahome and my expiriance I think is mixed.
We bought the van from the nec last October and collected in march.
When we did the deal it was agreed that we would have everything we needed to go caravaning straight away as this would be our first caravan.
After going home from the show we receided the paperwork only to find they wanted to try and charge an extra £20 for a number plate plus I think another £30 for an adaptor
As it happened I didn't need the adaptor but was not prepared to pay for the number plate as it had been agreed that nothing else was needed.
After an E-mail starting that I was happy to cancel as this was not the agreement they agreed to add free of charge. At the same time we had ordered a bradcot awning after researching the awning and learning that this particular awning had options of either standard errection poles or something called easy errection system. I knew that to change the order would cost me more money but was prepared to pay as this was an afterthought.After speaking with wandahome they point blankly said no.
Personally for them to have a few hundred pound more in their company I would have thought they would have welcomed . I think they were also crafty in the fact that we had paid for a robostop hitch lock also but very crafty in small print said or equivalent. Needless to say they tried to palm us off with a cheaper alternative, this was rectified by Rob in the Waudbuy shop onsite and I have to say Rob was brilliant and credit where credit was due. We then left for the pre arranged site, we did encounter problems with the heating and after speaking again with Rob he arranged to get someone out to look and sort the issue.
A guy came out and initially sorted the problem out, due to my meddling I then lost the heating and hot water and in the morning took the van backto wandahome where Rob again got involved but also spoke to one of the salesman. The sales mans attitude was basically that he had had our money so tough if it wasn't for Rob goodness knows what would of happened
After coming home we thought we would try the heating so we were ready for our Easter get away and yet again no heating.
I left a message approx 7 days ago and still no response however;a. lthough they should have come back to me we have subsequently found out that I have had it on the wrong settings so I am the idiot however the point I am making is that once they have your cash that is it I think out the


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Jason (I assume that's your name)I remember you at the site having trouble with your heating. You showed me how to fit my hitch lock. Glad you sorted the heating issue out. For a system that supposed to be simple to operate the manufacturer made it complicated, I had to read my instructions several times before understanding them. We had no issues to speak of with wandahome, everything went very smooth and Bob the salesman was nice enough. Seems I was one of the lucky ones I guess but I never sign anything until I know exactly what I'm signing for !!


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He came back and asked how £20,250.00 grabbed us and we were of course interested as there appeared to be an approx. saving of £3,000. The impression we were given was that £20,250 was for the entire deal and agreed to go ahead. The salesman pushed an order form in front of us that showed a price of £20,000 (we asked for the £250 to be taken off if we were to proceed there and then) Below the figure of £20,000 was listed the price of the three optional extras with no total at the bottom of the form. We thought that was right as we had been given the impression that £20,000 was all that we would pay.

I pointed to the optional extras asking the salesman to confirm that we were in fact getting these for nothing and he nodded his head in the affirmative. We signed his order.

I have picked out of your post the above extract as that represents the point at which you contracted. Let's take this one stage at a time.

It seems as though the salesman was talking about discount on the price of the caravan as there was no part exchange. Part exchange prices are never linked to the consumables such as the mover, superguard and Tyron Bands. So, the £20,250 was for the van.

You asked for the additional reduction of £250 if you were to contract there and then 

You say that "Below the figure of £20,000 was listed the price of the three optional extras ". I take it that the invoice specified that the caravan was £20,000. Under that figure was the three extras each of which had a price against them. If I am correct the invoice specified a price for each item and thus the total, although not added together and filled in at the line marked "invoice total" was £21,530.95. 

Question: - Tell me if I am correct but did you sign an invoice which listed a price against the caravan and the three extras?

If the answer is yes you are on a sticky wicket. You should have asked for the invoice to have had a price for the extras removed and a TOTAL inserted for everything at £20,000. However, we are where we are.....

You say that " The impression we were given was that £20,250 was for the entire deal and agreed to go ahead. "  Would it not be more accurate to say that the impression you had was that £20,250 was for everything, rather than that impression being "given"? Anyway, because of your "impression" you challenged the extras being priced up, by asking if those extras were for nothing. The salesman said nothing but just nodded and which you took to be his agreement that the full cost was £20,000.  

Question:- What actual words did you use to the salesman? Did you actually say "confirm that we were in fact getting these for nothing". If, for example you said "Is it £20,000"? The salesman may have thought that you were referring to the van becauue you had a discussion about the price of the van coming down. In his mind, as the extras were priced at no more than £1530 he may have thought that you must have been referring to the price of the van. For example, that the van was not going to be £20,000 plus 20% VAT.

Once the salesman nodded you signed and it was at the point that you signed that the contract was made. Your discussions were negotiations leading to the contract. Once he nodded you had all that you needed to sign - other than the invoice costs added together and it was your decision, at the point of signing, not to have that arithmetic undertaken. So you signed for the van at £20,000, the extra at £1530.95.

Yes you were mistaken, but if that was a unilateral mistake and not a common mistake made by both you and Wandahome the usual remedy is that the contract stands I am afraid. The reason being, in this case, is that the mistake was obvious. If the extras were free then the invoice should have said that. It becomes very difficult to argue that you were mistaken as to the value of the extras when you signed the invoice which had  values against them and which were not "nothing".

It is very very important in any contract dispute to be absolutely clear not only as to just what was said but as to what was understood being said. A lack of clarity in the questions can cause problems. Clearly, from what you have said you signed under a mistake.

Did the Salesman make a mistake? He did not utter a word so proving a mistake on his part is virtually impossible. If both parties to the contract are mistaken as to a fact then the contract can be void and you can have your money.   

You may be able to argue that Wandahome has calculated or presented the price of the goods in such a way as to deceive and which is described as a misleading practice by Regulation 5(2)(a) of the Consumer Protection From Unfair Trading Regulations 2008. This kind of practice is prohibited by Regulation 3(1) and classed as unfair by Regulation 3(3)(b). Regulation 9 makes all of this an offence. Trading Standards has a duty to enforce the Regulations. The maximum fine is £5000 with the potential of up to two years inside although the latter is unlikely.

The regulations do not entitled you to compensation, nor to have the contract set aside and your deposit returned. Your contract dispute with Wandahome would be decided on the basis of contract law and not the criminal law (the Regulations). Having said that, giving you your money back is cheaper than an investigation and potential prosecution by Trading Statdnards. However, I have to say that your evidence for Trading Standards is not the best it could be.

The Misrepresentation Act 1967 may assist if you argue that you were deceived into contracting. The misrepresentation being that the extras were free. There are a number of challenges facing you though. 1. A misrepresentation usually has to be verbal. 2. You signed a contract which indicated a price for those items. 3. You have to be able to show that you relied upon the salesmans misrepresentation. Your remedy under this would be damages - a reduction in the purchase price down to what you thought it would be. You would not normally expect to get the whole contract rescinded.

So, sadly the odds are rather stacked against you, I am afraid,  on the basis of your post so far. Is there any other information that you have omitted and which may assist?

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25/3/2013 at 1:16pm
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Hi paul,

Yes I remember you.

You obviously got home safely. If I remeber you had a fair way to travel.

What a beautiful site at Sandholme

I guess there will always be good and bad with these types of transactions and I guess we were the lucky ones as it is clear that my issues were due to actually not reading the book.

Best wishes to your and your wife!

 

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So the bill was:



Caravan:               £20,000

Motor Mover:
Tyre Band:
Superguard:

Total:


There looks an awful lot of blanks there, to be adding ones signature.

Whether a deliberate ploy, on their part, or not, if I have read it right, I fear Phil's "Sticky wicket" is going to leave you stumped!!



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Mucker the OP commented that "Below the figure of £20,000 was listed the price of the three optional extras ". From that I take it that there were no blanks. Something like

Caravan: £20,000

Motor Mover: £1000
Tyre Band: £200
Superguard: £330.95

Not totalled together, but signed

 

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So looks like the 'verdict' would be the 'diplomatic' approach as suggested earlier then?

Without meaning to be rude to the op but perhaps good advice for future negotiations would be to slow the 'over enthusiastic' salesman down. Say "hang on a minute mate, I'm spending an awful lot of money here, stop the retoric & lets talk business" or similar. You need to get the final figure endorsed 'total to pay' or similar. Negotiations need to be conducted in an atmosphere of calm & everything must be clear on the invoice that you take away because this is the only evidence you have.

If the salesman does give away too much & it is vetoed by his boss afterwards, legally they can cancel the deal if you won't pay the extra & return your deposit, ie they don't have to sell at the 'agreed' price but in this case as there is no 'bottom line' figure they don't have to return deposit although from what you describe a 'goodwill' gesture would not come amiss.

It depends on how you view the deal as offered I suppose, but presumably if it is what you want & you cannot find a better deal elsewhere it might be better to proceed at the price they want rather than lose your £1000 if they will not return it. Anyway, good luck & do try to keep negotiations amicable. I find staying friendly but firm in these situations gets results as losing your rag with them is just the excuse they need.


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Thank you Phil for your full explanation. The order I signed was not an invoice but an order designed for the use of part exchanges. My deal was not based on any part exchange. There was a box at the foot of the order which was for the balance total and this had not been added.So this was the reason I asked the salesman to confirm that in fact that the optional extras were free of charge he did say yes.

Four days later we received in the post two invoices that detailed everything - that is the caravan, the three optional extras and a couple more items that had never even been discussed let alone agreed. There was a note with the invoices requesting that I sign and return one of them. The note also described the invoices as copy orders. This they certainly were not as they had additional items and and of course a total of £21,530.95. Also the invoices advised me to sign the orders only if I wished to be legally bound by them. I don't so I didn't sign them.

Incidentally Trading Standards believe there may well be a criminal breach and are investigating the matter. They appear to be rather more confident than some of the replies I have received on this forum.


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With the upmost respect do you not think that in hindsight you were being naive in signing an incomplete order ?


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Quote: Originally posted by cwdc56768 on 25/3/2013

Mucker the OP commented that "Below the figure of £20,000 was listed the price of the three optional extras ". From that I take it that there were no blanks. Something like

Caravan:               £20,000

Motor Mover: £1000
Tyre Band: £200
Superguard: £330.95

Not totalled together, but signed

 

Phil







Apologies, Phil. He did indeed.
I still have grave concerns regarding signing the paper with the "Total" box left blank.

How difficult would it have been to ask the salesman to fill it in? Absolutely no if's, but's or "impression's" then!

All so easy in hindsight, of course. There's no denying that.

OP,
I sincerely hope that you get the "right and just" result from all this, but I fear you may well not.

Good luck.

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Quote: Originally posted by Freewheelwinnie on 25/3/2013
.....Incidentally Trading Standards believe there may well be a criminal breach and are investigating the matter. They appear to be rather more confident than some of the replies I have received on this forum.



And that is exactly the reason you ultimately go to the experts, and not rely on a bunch of strangers on a chitty chatty internet forum.


Excellent news. Here's hoping you eventually get the chance to come back here and cock a snook at those of us with the more negative opinions.
I, for one, will be more than happy with a nice big warm slice of humble pie.



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25/3/2013 at 9:05pm
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WANDAHOME SOUTH CAVE and WANDAHOME KNOTTINGLEY are 2 totally seperate companies .Need to be clear which one is getting the kicking!

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