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27/4/2013 at 10:12am
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Hi Can you help
I have had a caravan for 9 years and its been insured with the same company since i first bought it and never had a claim. The caravan has been stored in the same secure caravan yard since the day i bought it a few weeks ago it was broken it to along with 12 others the insurance company has refused to pay out because they say my insurance is invalid be cause in the small print it say the compound must have security lighting over the caravan and a mobile patrol
It has some lighting but not a mobile patrol so they have refused to pay out
As they say my insurance is invalid then it has been invalid from day one can i ask for my premiums to be paid back to me as effectively i have never had any insurance
Any help would be appreciated
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I doubt very much if they will refund your money as the insurance was to cover other things as well as when it was just in the compound. Also, unfortunately it did not comply with the small print. These insurance policies and warranties are a nightmare. I rarely read all the small print as there can be pages if it and usually it is so tiny you need a magnifying glass. I hope you get sorted.


27/4/2013 at 10:30am
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Sorry to hear of your brake in as for your insurance I think you shall find that it is the responsibility of the insure not the insurer to make sure that all the conditions of the policy are met by signing off that you accept all the T&Cs you are making a statement that you are complying with the said policy requirements. I would say you will have very little chance of getting anything from your insurance company as technically you have made a false statement when signing.
Not much consolation I am afraid but reiterates the old saying always read the small print.


27/4/2013 at 11:53am
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the name of this arsewipe company would help any one else from falling into the same trap .totally left speechless here


27/4/2013 at 12:16pm
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If this is in the T&C then it should be loud and clear, not hidden in the small print, but I'm very much afraid that you are basically s*****d and won't get your premiums back.

Anne



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Name the company for the benefit of the members on this forum

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I may be wrong but I suspect it is not actually written in the "small print" but stated in the policy along with everything else that is/isn't covered and if you did read the whole policy then you will not know what is required of you.
All insurance comes with responsibility. It's no good complaining if it wasn't read and presumably the caravan has come out of storage from time to time when it would have been covered by the insurance.

Same applies to car insurance. Read the policy.

Your insurance may be the cheapest because not everything you expect is covered.


27/4/2013 at 1:07pm
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Does any storage site have mobile patrols?

On our site (a CC site), the wardens supposedly walk round every few days, checking any missing vans against the signed out list. However, one week, i forgot to sign out and they never noticed that my van was gone :-(

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27/4/2013 at 2:21pm
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i got a mobile patrol on my storage site ,its got four legs ,a loud bark and its own 24 hr access into the garden ..


27/4/2013 at 2:51pm
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The OP hasn't responded yet regarding which caravan insurance company it is but merely as a guess I would be tempted to say E&L and this is because there have been previous threads on UKCS with people saying how difficult they are regarding a claim. Others too in their responding posts also advised against E&L merely because they or someone else has had problems with them in the past so it would be a coincidence if it is actually E&L caravan insurance on this occassion too.


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Quote: Originally posted by millermicm on 27/4/2013
I may be wrong but I suspect it is not actually written in the "small print" but stated in the policy along with everything else that is/isn't covered and if you did read the whole policy then you will not know what is required of you.
All insurance comes with responsibility. It's no good complaining if it wasn't read and presumably the caravan has come out of storage from time to time when it would have been covered by the insurance.

Same applies to car insurance. Read the policy.

Your insurance may be the cheapest because not everything you expect is covered.



Absolutely correct. The "small print" is a convenient whipping boy, but in fact these days, the relevant exclusions and conditions are often listed right in the cover sections. In other words, in the "theft from storage" section, the condition that the site must have mobile patrols will be set out there and then.

If we buy a rug we usually check what it's made of and what the size is. The equivalent in an insurance policy is....actually reading it. It amazes me that we pay often large sums, and then have no idea what we've bought. It can be a costly lesson to learn.

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28/4/2013 at 8:22am
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I can,t think of any storage site that has 24hr mobile patrols Ours is a CASSOA gold site and that only has camera,s

But with our insurance company it has to be stored on silver or gold only and while away all wheel locks fitted etc



28/4/2013 at 9:32am
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"Small print" is an expression we use to explain why we don't read things. It's not usually any smaller than all of the other conditions that we are actually aware of.

What we have here is a contract of insurance and which imposes on the insurer certain conditions. Fail to meet those conditions and there is a breach of contract enabling the insurance company to properly refuse to pay out. No point in criticising the insurance company, nor in naming it for the purposes of folk "having a go" at it. Is it truely the insurance company's fault if an insured does not comply with the contract?

Anyway, all may not be lost...............some issues not yet entertained....

1. Is it not a tad unusual for such a policy to require a light actually over the caravan rather than over the entire site?  Has there been a misinterpretation of the clause? The OP states that the site has some lighting, so is this "security lighting"? If so then that argument by the Insurance Company may fall by the wayside

2. Is it not unusual for a policy to require 24 hour patrols? My insurers ask me where my van is stored, and what security arrangements are in place and the policy simply requires it to be stored there. Did the OP tell them it had mobile patrols? Doubt it if it doesn't. So, has the policy been changed over the years without positive notice to the OP. Is there a potential cause of action there? Financial Ombudsman ? Check out the original policy document (if you have one) and compare that to the current policy. By varying a contract after it has been agreed (if that has happened) the Insurance Company could have created a "significant imbalance in the parties' rights and obligations", as the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 would put it and thus such a change would not be enforceable. Of course each year the contract of insurance is renewed and any change may have arisen at that time and not during the annual life of the policy. Changes at renewal should have been highlighted

3. Another approach may be that, if this term was new at a renewal date, or existed from day one, and was not specifically highlighted to the OP this may amount to an infringement of the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2002. If so the insurers cannot rely on the clause

4. Was the insurance arranged via a broker? If so did that broker fail in its duty to the client to spell out the full nature of the contract and the OPs obligations? A broker has a duty to inform his client that he must disclose all material facts to the insurance company (e’g that there was no patrol) and to explain the consequences of failing to do so. The Broker should have brough up the conditions in the policy about security at storage. So, a potential cause of action here if a Broker was used.

5. What about a claim against the site owners? They have enterted into a contract with the OP to provide a "secure" site. So did the site owner commit a breach of its contract with the OP? Worth thinking about.

Anyway, just some issues for the OP to consider. What the OP needs to do is to think about just how he has organised his insurance, what was said, by whom and when. What was not said. Has the policy changed, and was he informed.

If the OP would care to post a few more  facts I amy be able to suggest a way forward

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28/4/2013 at 7:27pm
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E & L would not pay out when mine was stolen. No security light over thew caravan. Also the "other" entrance was not a secure entrance.The "other" entrance was about half a mile down the the lane. Through two fields and cutting off padlocks and barb wire fences.

We learn by our mistakes, the mistake being using E&L

Definitely worth trying the ombudsman.



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And what did the Ombudsman have to say about E&L? Did the policy define what was meant by a "secure entrance"?

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28/4/2013 at 10:23pm
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E at L made my life L when I made a claim.never again.

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