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Message posted by jtq4u17/8/2020 at 3:06pm
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I am tempted to get a jsb wheel lock, and have messaged them on facebook as I can't see why I couldn't defeat it using approaches I have needed to use on locking wheel nuts in the past.
Namely
1. Cherrying the nut up so hot it is soft and then hammering a socket on.
2. cutting a slot into the head of the nut and then using an impact screw driver.

or as the nuts are deeply recessed I could cut around the hublock (removing the stand) and then weld threaded bar into the recesses and bolt wheels onto that bar.

doesn't seem that hard, unless I am missing something. They will be successful, as long as we don't all use them (as there is easier pray).

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Quote: Originally posted by jayc001 on 01/8/2013
Quote: Originally posted by MadMum1972 on 31/7/2013
So sorry to hear about the attempted theft. It is just awful that scumbags think they can just take what others have worked hard for. There are alot of bad people out there.

Going slightly off note here, I have just read about somebody who had £30k worth of caravan stolen, only to be found 18 months later being lived in by gypsies. The police are unable to evict them as it is a breach of the thieving watsits human rights!! Wtf??

We have something on our wheel, which I think is an Alko wheel lock. It seems pretty good although i have to ensure the hole it fits in is in exactly the right place so a bit fiddly. We also have the Alko hitch lock. Whatever we have, I guess the scum will find a way in if they are determined.



Read the same story about the caravan. Problem is the police have no power to evict without a court order. The owner will have to apply to the court, wait for a hearing, and once found in their favour apply for a court baliff to evict them. This is likely to take several months. The biggest hurdle here is when applying for the court order the legal owner will need to have an address for serving the court papers on. The police are not passing this info onward (most likely for the safety of the owner) so it would be very tricky to get to court in the first place. Of course this is all assuming that the caravan's still in the same place. It's likely long gone.

The theft of the caravan is a criminal matter but the eviction is a civil one. Problem is the police are very unlikely to persue the criminal matter as it will be hard for them to get a conviction.

The lesson to be learnt here is if you can't afford to replace it, insure it.



all very well, but would the insurer pay you out , if the vans wearabouts are known, and someone is living in it.
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Quote: Originally posted by jtq4u on 17/8/2020
I am tempted to get a jsb wheel lock, and have messaged them on facebook as I can't see why I couldn't defeat it using approaches I have needed to use on locking wheel nuts in the past.
Namely
1. Cherrying the nut up so hot it is soft and then hammering a socket on.
2. cutting a slot into the head of the nut and then using an impact screw driver.

or as the nuts are deeply recessed I could cut around the hublock (removing the stand) and then weld threaded bar into the recesses and bolt wheels onto that bar.

doesn't seem that hard, unless I am missing something. They will be successful, as long as we don't all use them (as there is easier pray).



probably because you would notice all that happening on your drive...

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Ye you go to love these zombie threads, they just wont lay down and die

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Threads about caravan theft are always relevant. Once a caravan is stolen & insurance pays out then it is insurance coís problem if caravan is discovered years laters. Police probably will not get involved. It is a civil action by insurance co.

This is why it is important to check with Cris before buying a caravan because if you do not & then try to update with Cris & caravan is down as stolen years ago then insurer who paid out original owner will be after you for either caravan or you pay them if you want to keep it.

You only recourse is with previous owner who might have bought caravan in good faith & caravan could have been stolen several owners ago & never updated with Cris.

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A bloke rolled up with a brand new van to a site we were on last week. He said his old one (and a second) had been stolen, from what sounded like Fort Knox. It seems if someone wants your 'van, they will find a way to take it. This theft was from a 'gold' storage site, and involved going across 2 fields and the use of cutting torches. Need i say more.

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However, go and have a look at caravanid.com itís a new initiative that is community based and taking off with local police forces and CCTV companies. Whilst it doesnít stop a caravan being stolen it is a lot more visible than the CRIS number when the caravan or motorhome is on the move. And no Iím not part of the business, just one of many whoíve signed up.

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Quote: Originally posted by Mick S. on 20/8/2020
A bloke rolled up with a brand new van to a site we were on last week. He said his old one (and a second) had been stolen, from what sounded like Fort Knox. It seems if someone wants your 'van, they will find a way to take it. This theft was from a 'gold' storage site, and involved going across 2 fields and the use of cutting torches. Need i say more.



Totally agree, its the same with pretty much anything these days, if someone wants something you own they will get it, it doesn't matter if its locked in your house or a garage, they will get it eventually.

All the security devices we fit to our vans are purely their to stop the "have a go chancer" a career criminal who is probably stealing to order will get through most devices relatively easily.

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Couple of years back now, a Hobby caravan of no exceptional spec/value, was taken from the 'very secure' insurance approved storage site I use.

The time and effort, and risks, taken to steal this very specific van beggar belief. A lot of planning and preparation was made to steal this van, it was certainly no random, easy target opportunistic theft, they knew exactly what they wanted and every detail of how to get it!

Access was gained down a secured drop arm barrier protected green lane, a heavy duty steel palisade fence panel was removed to get tow vehicle access to the yard. Once in the yard they removed wheel locks and swapped A frame to overcome tow hitch security, they then broke 'out' of the storage yard through secured drop arm barrier AND locked gates, then broke through the general site security barrier to make good their escape, their final stages of breakout were captured on CCTV and the on site wardens only became aware as the final stages were in progress.

Virtually nothing on earth is ever going to secure a van against that kind of theft. It was one of I believe 4 vans stolen that night from secure storage in the general area. I think the site wardens and people with caravans stored there were totally shocked at the lengths taken to get this specific van.

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But you have to ask Monty, how did they know it was there in the first place, IMO they either have inside information or they have inside information and not just about the caravan itself but also about the security! Just saying!

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Its best to just have insurance, abide by its requirements, and leave it at that. If your van gets swiped, get another.

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Quote: Originally posted by Grandad Kenny on 21/8/2020
However, go and have a look at caravanid.com itís a new initiative that is community based and taking off with local police forces and CCTV companies.



Scam as bad as the post codes on roofs. What a laugh!



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