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Message posted by AL53HX25/1/2016 at 2:17pm
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Found this on another site,did anyone see this at last years show.


Chris Hogan, 18th January 2016, Caravan
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On the grounds that not many of you will be taking your caravan out at this time of year we thought it was a good time to investigate the world of caravan toilets. Which fluid type is best? And we have news of a neat little gadget that might make the whole toilet business a lot easier.
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Elsan is synonymous with chemical toilets in the same way that Hoover is with vacuum cleaners and that's because the first viable chemical toilet system was invented in London by E.L.Jackson - hence EL and 'SAN' for sanitation.
Formaldehyde

That was nearly a hundred years ago and there are many more manufacturers and chemicals available today. But that in itself presents a problem - which is the best type of chemical to use? And, as is often the case, the answer isn't straightforward.

Early toilets used formaldehyde which is a pretty smelly and aggressive chemical and although you can still get formaldehyde based fluids, most manufacturers are have developed more benign mixes which will still break down waste and combat aromas. Broadly speaking there are two groups of chemicals known as 'blue' or 'green', although the actual colour of the fluids sometimes doesn't always match the name.
Blue fluids

These are biocides which break down or kill bacteria in the same way that a septic tank works and were originally dyed blue simply because that seemed to be the best colour for obscuring the contents in waste tanks.

The benefits of blue fluids are that they have a wider working temperature and will even work properly after being frozen, so they suit those who tour all year round. They also start working intermediately.
Green fluids

These are more biological than chemical and the 'green' refers to the fact that they are designed to be less harmful to the environment. Because they are biological they take longer to start working and in cold temperatures (less than 5C) they may not work at all.
Site rules

Note that some sites will, as you'd expect these days, insist on only green chemicals being emptied into their systems because of their less aggressive nature, and will specifically ban any formaldehyde. This is particularly true of sites with reed bed sewage systems, although those aren't common.

However, perhaps a little more surprisingly, some sites ban green fluids. This will be on the grounds that they are slower to break down waste so don't work so well in the site's sewage system.
Other options

Many manufacturers provide their fluids in concentrated sachet form - you drop them into the tank but most make sure they have dissolved before using the toilet. They are usually more expensive than the equivalent fluid but are lighter and easier to carry.

There are also concentrated fluid versions of some products available too, just make sure you dilute them according to the manufacturers instructions. Might be useful on a long holiday as they'll take up less space.
The Thetford Machine

At the beginning of this article we promised new of a gadget intended to make the whole messy business a lot easier - the Thetford machine. The Camping and Caravanning Club has been helping Theford to promote this and installed a machine at its site near the NEC Motorhome and Caravan Show back in October.

All you need to do is place your Thetford cassette in the machine and follow the pictorial instructions. In three minutes the machine will empty the cassette, flush and clean it and refill in with fresh chemicals, ready to be used again.
On trial

Although it's not yet generally available on UK sites Thetford already have it on trail at ten Dutch sites where the service costs ‚¬3.50, using contactless payment or a pre-paid swipe card.

Obviously it will only be of use to caravan owners with Thetford systems, and at the moment the machine will only refill cassettes with Thetford Aqua Kem Blue, so you're out of luck if you prefer green, at least for the moment.

But it's early days for this intriguing idea and if it catches on it will be interesting to see whether other manufacturers follow suit.
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The Thetford Machine
- See more at: https://www.insuremyworld.co.uk/article/caravan/Cleaning-toilets?tracking_record=21023598#sthash.B0TiwLP2.dpuf

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Wow sounds great

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So for 3.50 you can use a machine that empties your cassette for you? Ok, it adds fluid, but still?

I see only bad news here, what happens if it malfunctions & does not give you your cassette back, or mangles it beyond repair?

I hope the toilet tip will still be available for those of us who would rather spend the pennies elsewhere...

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I'm with Opensauce on this one.

The day I cannot empty, clean and refill the loo is the day to give the van up.

Technology isn't always great.



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No blue for me. Stick to bio only. Usually from the variety of washing liquids of the bio type from supermarkets. Saves a fortune and works and smells better than the commercial toilet fluids. Been using it for 10 years or moire with no damage to toilet seals or fittings.

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We tried the Green stuff for our toilet and ended up binning it as it took so long to break down waste and the smell was horrendous!

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I agree with Peter1474

he a few tips I will share about toilet chemicals

in Tesco the is a toilet cleaner which is 79p for 750ml it call daisy and its pink if you read the back label it states that it can be used in portable toilets so for a few years now I have been putting that in my top tank with no issues.

also on my travels with work I called into a local chemical works that sell all type of agents to the service sector , he told me that he stocks a blue toilet chemical for portable toilets for building sites & outdoor concert toilets , it all correctly labelled and its looks and smell the same and breaks down the waste with no overpowering odours , I have had no issues using this as it fit for purpose use with plastic toilets
and guess what it is on 4.25 per 5 ltrs

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The empty-and-recharge machine was on trial at C&CC Kingsbury in October and was featured at the NEC show at the same time, so I'd guess it will also be at the February one?


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Where there's muck, there's brass, eh!
Yes, i saw this on one of caravan shows a few months back. Looked like a perfectly viable idea and i'm sure it would be of interest to the hygiene obsessed or squeamish maybe.
I agree with Peter and Opensauce, to me the trivial chores are part of a caravan/camping break.

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